NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 5

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

that shit is reeruned.....just reeruned...

the things that get written and said about stafford around just blow my mind....

i said these same things about stafford(freaking out when the shit hit the fan) halfway through the season and you told me i didnt watch him play, maybe YOU didnt know what you were actually seeing

blueballs · 02-21-2009, 12:13 PM

trolling
trolling
trolling

Ultra Peanut · 02-21-2009, 12:28 PM

NickAthanFan · 02-21-2009, 12:36 PM

My inside sources tell me these 'sources' work for teams hoping the QB's fall.

kcchiefsus · 02-21-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cfl

I am starting to believe more and more that this isnt the year to spend a #3 pick on a QB.
I hope they are looking farther down in the draft.

Well next year sure as hell isn't either. Guess we should just go the Carl Peterson route, huh? Let's trade for Matt Cassel or Sage Rosenfels.

**the Talking Can** · 02-21-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i said these same things about stafford(freaking out when the shit hit the fan) halfway through the season and you told me i didnt watch him play, maybe YOU didnt know what you were actually seeing

you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid

the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

**jAZ** · 02-21-2009, 01:10 PM

I think that those who think Sanchez or Stafford are clear #1 overall picks, but Bradford would be a bust... are crazy.

You can't ever tell for certain, but I'd prefer Bradford over the other 2, no doubt. I'd definately take him at #3 or #1 this year.

milkman · 02-21-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think that those who think Sanchez or Stafford are clear #1 overall picks, but Bradford would be a bust... are crazy.

You can't ever tell for certain, but I'd prefer Bradford over the other 2, no doubt. I'd definately take him at #3 or #1 this year.

Bradford may not be a bust, but he has a lot more to overcome than do Stafford and Sanchez.

He is a spread QB who would have to learn all new mechanics, how to make reads and go through progressions, and he doesn't have nearly the arm strength.

No way in hell he should rate ahead of those two.

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-21-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Its the same crap we hear every year about every top QB prospect.

Yep. Its magnified this year by the fact that we just so happen to be in the market for one...

tk13 · 02-21-2009, 01:19 PM

I like Sanchez but what scares me is I don't think he was as good as Leinart and he hasn't turned out yet, but a lot of times circumstances dictate things. Stafford is a definite top 10 pick.

tk13 · 02-21-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Yep. Its magnified this year by the fact that we just so happen to be in the market for one...

Yeah but QB values are always inflated because it's such a prime position. If it's a bad year or it's a good year for QB's, somebody is still gonna be looking for them in the top 10. That's why some years you get Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan and some years you get Tim Couch and David Carr.

RustShack · 02-21-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think that those who think Sanchez or Stafford are clear #1 overall picks, but Bradford would be a bust... are crazy.

You can't ever tell for certain, but I'd prefer Bradford over the other 2, no doubt. I'd definately take him at #3 or #1 this year.

Your joking right? Hes maybe going to be another Chad Pennington.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-21-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're asking an awful lot out of Simple Jack.

Full-reerun

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I like Sanchez but what scares me is I don't think he was as good as Leinart and he hasn't turned out yet, but a lot of times circumstances dictate things. Stafford is a definite top 10 pick.

Obviously he didnt have the success Lienart had, but his physical tools are far greater.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Would you like to actually contribute something to this forum someday?

Well gosh I think I do. You just don't happen to agree with me. Tough
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