NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 7

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I have based on feedback I've gotten in private. Not surprising since 85 percent agree with me on the draft question
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Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Coogs · 02-21-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

**** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. Posted via Mobile Device

That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two. And maybe even more so today given the fact that the 0-linemen don't appear to be top 5 worthy.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two.

Dude there are people that would be stoked if we took a RT 3rd...

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Here another mecca classic right up there with "the draft is my thing". You want to draft sanchez.....because his brother went to Yale????????
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Coogs · 02-21-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Dude there are people that would be stoked if we took a RT 3rd...

Oh, I know Mecca. I watched the combine today. None of the O-linemen appeared to be top 5 candidates. Casserly had none of them being as good as Thomas from the Browns.

mikey23545 · 02-21-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Next year when Bradford, TeBow and McCoy are available is the year to address the QB position, right?

Oh, great, we've gone from the BPA philosophy of drafting to the WBAGPANY (Won't Be Any Good Players Available Next Year) philosophy....

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Spooge mop operator at the the 25 cent theater next to Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Why would Stafford not throw? I just don't understand it. He has a million dollar arm.

The talent at the top of this draft sucks. It figures the year we are in position to pick up a stud, there might not be there one for the taking.

I want Sanchez, but I can see why people feel that neither is worth a top 10 selection.

The problem is, there aren't many guys in this draft worthy of top 10 picks.

Give me Sanchez and I'll be happy as hell.

This.

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This is outragous. Don't they know stafford is the next joe montana and sanchez is the next drew bledsoe?
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Do you mission plan your ****-tardery in the morning, or does it just come naturally?

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Would you like to actually contribute something to this forum someday?

Like addition by subtraction perhaps?

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

1 spread monkey, 1 TE, and 1 Brodie Croyle.

That sounds like the perfect ****ing time. What's not to like?

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My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

I'll sponsor him at Chiefs Crowd; it's a perfect match.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Oh, I know Mecca. I watched the combine today. None of the O-linemen appeared to be top 5 candidates. Casserly had none of them being as good as Thomas from the Browns.

That didn't stop Jake Long from going 1st last year...Monroe and Jason Smith are likely both going top 6 picks.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two. And maybe even more so today given the fact that the 0-linemen don't appear to be top 5 worthy.

Wrong. The option was grudgingly but would accept it if pioli doesn't feel the qb is worth a 3. That is my view that if pioli doesn't think those qbs are woth it then don't reach. Its 15 percent who think no matter what gotta draft a qb. You see they know more than pioli sure.
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Coogs · 02-21-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Oh, great, we've gone from the BPA philosophy of drafting to the WBAGPANY (Won't Be Any Good Players Available Next Year) philosophy....

Not hardly! Top 10 is fantastic next year on the defensive side of the ball. Way better than this season.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Not hardly! Top 10 is fantastic next year on the defensive side of the ball. Way better than this season.

The top 5 of next years defensive side is better than any defensive player in the draft...

Coogs · 02-21-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Wrong. The option was grudgingly but would accept it if pioli doesn't feel the qb is worth a 3. That is my view that if pioli doesn't think those qbs are woth it then don't reach. Its 15 percent who think no matter what gotta draft a qb. You see they know more than pioli sure.
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Asshat!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 04:21 PM

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Asshat!

He came out of the womb in an ass hat.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 04:24 PM

Mecca thinks a drew bledsoe type would be a savior of the franchise. Brilliant.

Then he says the chiefs didn't win shit in the 90's. Guess what mecca. The chiefs and patriots won the same amount of playoff games in the 90's. Three. And the patriots got to the sb because their defense went crazy on pittsburgh and jacksonville and the jags upset denver. Bledsoes career playoff rating is about 59. So bledsoe. By your own standards didn't win shit either. But go ahead show us your "knowledge"
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orange · 02-21-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Careful there....

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I didn't like Bush because he never sounded intelligent at all...was his campaign good, yes it was very smartly run.

I never thought Bush was thoughtful about anything he's always a my way or the highway type of person...

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Mecca thinks a drew bledsoe type would be a savior of the franchise. Brilliant. Then he says the chiefs didn't win shit in the 90's. Guess what mecca. The chiefs and patriots won the same amount of playoff games in the 90's. Three. And the patriots got to the sb because their defense went crazy on pittsburgh and jacksonville and the jags upset denver. Bledsoes career playoff rating is about 59. So bledsoe. By your own standards didn't win shit either. But go ahead show us your "knowledge" Posted via Mobile Device
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