NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 14

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Definitely, there's no denying any of that, but hell, Brooks changed a lot of games too. No doubt there's a lot to be said for schemes and specific talents of individuals...

And Curry is not remotely as fast as Brooks was...

It's just not worth it you'd be better off taking a guy like Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round.

**PHOG** · 02-21-2009, 09:57 PM

You people are still debating this from this morning? If a QB is worth the pick, then I'm sure we'll take it, if not, then I'm asuming that we'll do what is best for the TEAM....

Question: If we DON'T take a QB with the 1st rd pick, will all the QB (it's this year or bust) crowd turn on Pioli?

soundmind · 02-21-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It doesn't make any sense.

You know, I'm extremely happy with Albert's play thus far and agree he's got that kind of potential...to quote Haley, "Brandon is the least of our problems". But we are far from complete up front, and definitely need a C/RG/RT in my opinion, and that's just the line.

Again, I'm interested to see what we do in FA to address some of these "holes".

If the draft were tomorrow, I agree we're taking a QB.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PHOG

You people are still debating this from this morning? If a QB is worth the pick, then I'm sure we'll take it, if not, then I'm asuming that we'll do what is best for the TEAM....

Question: If we DON'T take a QB with the 1st rd pick, will all the QB (it's this year or bust) crowd turn on Pioli?

We'll just be ****ed for 3 years so it's not really a position I'd like to be in.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Because this explains why QB should be our pick.

Because you are convinced the qbs in question are worth it. Fine. If Pioli agrees you got it. If not you don't and you can either figure Pioli knows what he's doing or you can convince yourself you know much more than he does.
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-21-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Because you are convinced the qbs in question are worth it. Fine. If Pioli agrees you got it. If not you don't and you can either figure Pioli knows what he's doing or you can convince yourself you know much more than he does.
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Please walk into this:

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 10:26 PM

Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Because you are convinced the qbs in question are worth it. Fine. If Pioli agrees you got it. If not you don't and you can either figure Pioli knows what he's doing or you can convince yourself you know much more than he does.
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Either tell us why these qb's aren't worth it or

!!!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 10:27 PM

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHOG

You people are still debating this from this morning? If a QB is worth the pick, then I'm sure we'll take it, if not, then I'm asuming that we'll do what is best for the TEAM....

Question: If we DON'T take a QB with the 1st rd pick, will all the QB (it's this year or bust) crowd turn on Pioli?

Of course they will because they are effen geniuses. The draft is "their thing". Of course in a few years when the chiefs are strong contenders the same people will be jumping on the Pioli/Haley bandwagon claiming they knew it all along. Always the same with internet geniuses.
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soundmind · 02-21-2009, 10:28 PM

man, I want to post graphics.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Of course they will because they are effen geniuses. The draft is "their thing". Of course in a few years when the chiefs are strong contenders the same people will be jumping on the Pioli/Haley bandwagon claiming they knew it all along. Always the same with internet geniuses.
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Are you Scott Pioli in subterfuge, or do you just wash his balls?

Chieftain58 · 02-21-2009, 10:35 PM

What position if we didn't need a QB?

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain58

What position if we didn't need a QB?

doggy sans astro-glide.

soundmind · 02-21-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain58

What position if we didn't need a QB?

Well, if I had a million dollars, I'd...

...there's no getting around it, we need one, bad. However, to comply...Defensive front 7, no question to me - specific player TBD on base defense.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
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