NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 17

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Personally, I haven't seen a single post by El Zombo that is substantive. I'm sure I missed something but they're few and far between if they exist at all.

From what I can tell, all he's done since he arrived is slam other posters and remind us all that Pioli knows more than we do - which, of course, may well be true. Nevertheless, it kind of hampers conversation.

Based on his English skills, Zombo is uneducated. And probably socially inept, as well. I'm going to chalk it up to that, but I wish he'd at least come forward with some ideas and forgo this constant comparison of our experience as NFL front office executives and Pioli's.

FAX THE WEARY OF THIS

Thank you for sharing your useless opinion that nobody really cares about.
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FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:30 PM

What a nasty little spud.

FAX

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:32 PM

Great fans slammin on the drafting abilities of their own GM. The useless minority while most of chiefsplanet shows intelligence.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

What a nasty little spud.

FAX

Gonna cry?
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Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Great fans slammin on the drafting abilities of their own GM. The useless minority while most of chiefsplanet shows intelligence.
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No one you've been arguing has slammed Pioli

FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:34 PM

If you would take a moment to actually research what other posters (including myself) have said about Pioli, it might become clear - even to your troubled mind - that you are way off base about that. Why would we slam Pioli? He's a Godsend for us.

You are incredibly foolish, Zombo.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:35 PM

I'm ready to bring back Carl.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So you are proposing that our forum adopt the view that expressing an partially informed opinion about the GM is okay but doing the same about a player is out of bounds?

What are you jabbering about?
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Crush · 02-21-2009, 11:36 PM

Hey ConstantlyBitching, is this you by any chance?

FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm ready to bring back Carl.

Had I known that Pioli was packaged with this guy, I might have been less enthusiastic.

FAX

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

No one you've been arguing has slammed Pioli

Of course they have. When I put some trust that he knows what he's doing and get called a ballwasher for it that is in essense saying they don't trust pioli to make an intelligent choice. That is a slam.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Have you even used your dick for anything the last 8 or 9 years for anything other than jamming it into your hand?
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Your mothers mouth comes to mind.

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:40 PM

Did you all see the picture of Pioli's dog in the paper today? The guy whom we're entrusting with the franchise owns this? Well, the picture should speak for itself:

If that's what he comes up with when selecting a pet, I have serious reservations about his ability to pick the #3 overall.

Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Of course they have. When I put some trust that he knows what he's doing and get called a ballwasher for it that is in essense saying they don't trust pioli to make an intelligent choice. That is a slam.
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They are slamming you for being a mindless zombie, not Pioli. You haven't offered anything of substance to this discussion and you slam other posters for giving their opinions because they aren't Pioli.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Did you all see the picture of Pioli's dog in the paper today? The guy whom we're entrusting with the franchise owns this? Well, the picture should speak for itself:

Meh. That's a "wife pet". No big deal.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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