NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 27

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is my beef.

Freeman has a Flacco arm(why he will go in the 1st) and Sanchez looked like he had a "backup" arm today. Like I said. It furthers the notion he should not have come out and if he does not significantly improve on his Pro Day then don't be surprised.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-22-2009, 08:51 PM

Nothing much changes, except that people can finally stop putting these guys on such a high pedestal. Stafford is still the guy with outstanding fundamentals and arm strength who doesn't play nearly as well as you would expect given his ability and experience level. Sanchez is still the raw guy with outstanding leadership and personal qualities who won't start right away and might need a year or two on the bench to be developed. They both will grade high, but hopefully this puts to rest the idea that these guys are surefire top 5 picks. It appears even some scouts question that.

Very high likelihood the Chiefs take either of these guys. But hopefully this puts to rest the idea that taking a QB is absolutely, positively the only option.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:51 PM

All I can find are highlights and the asshat crew, but it doesn't sound NEARLY as dire as these guys are trying to perpetrate:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/videos/nf...000d5d80ee0db2

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 08:55 PM

You all are just too desperate to make that Sanchez pick and I was hoping to see a "StudMofo" out there today and didn't see it. Today he was not the 3rd pick maybe at his Pro day he might be.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nothing much changes, except that people can finally stop putting these guys on such a high pedestal. Stafford is still the guy with outstanding fundamentals and arm strength who doesn't play nearly as well as you would expect given his ability and experience level. Sanchez is still the raw guy with outstanding leadership and personal qualities who won't start right away and might need a year or two on the bench to be developed. They both will grade high, but hopefully this puts to rest the idea that these guys are surefire top 5 picks. It appears even some scouts question that.

Very high likelihood the Chiefs take either of these guys. But hopefully this puts to rest the idea that taking a QB is absolutely, positively the only option.

Yes, we should either draft a SAM Cover backer, a backup LT, or another defensive tackle.

8-8, you're our only hope

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

You all are just too desperate to make that Sanchez pick and I was hoping to see a "StudMofo" out there today and didn't see it. Today he was not the 3rd pick maybe at his Pro day he might be.

No, we want ****ING INFORMATION. Jesus ****in' Christ with this guy...

chiefzilla1501 · 02-22-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

You all are just too desperate to make that Sanchez pick and I was hoping to see a "StudMofo" out there today and didn't see it. Today he was not the 3rd pick maybe at his Pro day he might be.

The workout is one of many things they will be looking at to evaluate the kid. The workout doesn't help and it could push him out of the top 5, but he'll also likely grade very highly on leadership and social qualities, which are often viewed as being just as important if not moreso than the physical qualities. And I'm sure that they'll take a long look at tape to make sure it wasn't just a bad workout. I don't know what they'll find, to be honest.

But either way, I think this makes him a bubble top 5 pick with some possibility of maybe dropping out of the top 10 if he scores low on multiple areas. But I doubt his stock will fall too far.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 09:01 PM

**** me.

Milk, I was trying to positive rep. you and NJ about the combine info, and I think I hit the wrong key.

If there's a neg rep. in your box with a "thank you" message, well, I'm the ****ing idiot.

I'll get it right when I spread some around. Sorry.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

**** me.

Milk, I was trying to positive rep. you and NJ about the combine info, and I think I hit the wrong key.

If there's a neg rep. in your box with a "thank you" message, well, I'm the ****ing idiot.

I'll get it right when I spread some around. Sorry.

Eh, I don't worry about rep.

I occassionally give some out just to use the function, but I never much cared about my own, so it's no biggie.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Eh, I don't worry about rep.

I occassionally give some out just to use the function, but I never much cared about my own, so it's no biggie.

Cool.

It's been corrected. My bad.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 09:07 PM

I damn gaurantee you if the draft were next week Pioli passes on Sanchez with the 3rd pick with what he saw today and takes Aaron Curry. Curry is far safer and Pioli's rep is on the line with making his 1st pick as the new Chiefs GM and you better not miss with the 3rd pick as a new GM. Sanchez at 'THIS' point is too risky for him IMO.

Matt Ryan was not that risky of a pick last yr because he started far more games and did not play behind a "stellar of a line" performing just as well as Sanchez did this yr. Ryan had it alot tougher IMO which showcased his metal being tested more and passing with flying colors. Sanchez has not had enough time to showcase this IMO.

Chiefnj2 · 02-22-2009, 09:07 PM

the nfl.com's clips suck arse. They show guys running the 40 but not making throws.

Pat White clearly had the best day which gives you an idea of how bad the QB class is this year.

Just Passin' By · 02-22-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

All I can find are highlights and the asshat crew, but it doesn't sound NEARLY as dire as these guys are trying to perpetrate:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/videos/nf...000d5d80ee0db2

No, there was nothing dire. He simply failed to live up to the hype. It happens. However, because he went into the combine as the #2 QB, he needed to be better than he was.

ArrowheadMagic · 02-22-2009, 09:09 PM

NFLN only showed the group that Sanchez was in, the 1st group had few if any highlights.

ChiefsCountry · 02-22-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Matt Ryan was not that risky of a pick last yr because he started far more games and did not play behind a "stellar of a line" performing just as well as Sanchez did this yr.

Well you didnt watch a single USC game then.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1805503	Nothing much changes, except that people can finally stop putting these guys on such a high pedestal. Stafford is still the guy with outstanding fundamentals and arm strength who doesn't play nearly as well as you would expect given his ability and experience level. Sanchez is still the raw guy with outstanding leadership and personal qualities who won't start right away and might need a year or two on the bench to be developed. They both will grade high, but hopefully this puts to rest the idea that these guys are surefire top 5 picks. It appears even some scouts question that. Very high likelihood the Chiefs take either of these guys. But hopefully this puts to rest the idea that taking a QB is absolutely, positively the only option.
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