NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 38

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

upon closer review, kstater, crush, chiefs country, hamas jenkins, and Darth Carl Satan
accounting for 34 negative rep hits in one day. 5 guys.

the more honorable human beings who gave me positives each used it once.

so folks on my side, we can either be babies and i can make this like a high school popularity contest or a telethon and lobby for 10 positive rep hits from you all, or we can just be stand up guys and conclude we have a very vocal loudmouth idiot minority that think they all the shit.

last night they made it like my take was Soooooooooo reeruned.

But they are revealed as little boys who like to play with their internet toys.

5 guys. wow. what losers.

...

**chiefforlife** · 02-23-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Good point. How much prep time if any do these guys get when throwing passes to someone they've never worked with before?

All these people bitching about long ball woes as it relates to Sanchez don't seem to get that his success in that area comes with throwing to guys that he has brutally practiced with until the timing on the part of both players is where it needs to be.

I hate dumb asses.

So throwing a deep ball 3 yards out of bounds is because you werent used to the receivers...come on.
The guy didnt have a good day throwing the ball. It doesnt mean he is dropping out of the first round or that he sucks but at least realize he had a bad day and it wasnt because he didnt have his receivers. He threw to the same guys everyone else did.

CoMoChief · 02-23-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cfl

So throwing a deep ball 3 yards out of bounds is because you werent used to the receivers...come on.
The guy didnt have a good day throwing the ball. It doesnt mean he is dropping out of the first round or that he sucks but at least realize he had a bad day and it wasnt because he didnt have his receivers. He threw to the same guys everyone else did.

Yup

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cfl

So throwing a deep ball 3 yards out of bounds is because you werent used to the receivers...come on.
The guy didnt have a good day throwing the ball. It doesnt mean he is dropping out of the first round or that he sucks but at least realize he had a bad day and it wasnt because he didnt have his receivers. He threw to the same guys everyone else did.

Hell Thigpen has trouble throwing the quick out or any sideline route, has a crappy deep ball along with zero ability to play under center...

People would still like to invest in him for the future...

So just because he had a bad day, doesnt mean squat over all... He still has is pro day and if a GM and HC want him, they will do what it takes to try and make him successful in the NFL...

People are just trying to create stories, looking for what sells, and we still have zero clue to what Pioli and Haley are going to do come April...

**chiefforlife** · 02-23-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Hell Thigpen has trouble throwing the quick out or any sideline route, has a crappy deep ball along with zero ability to play under center...

People would still like to invest in him for the future...

So just because he had a bad day, doesnt mean squat over all... He still has is pro day and if a GM and HC want him, they will do what it takes to try and make him successful in the NFL...

People are just trying to create stories, looking for what sells, and we still have zero clue to what Pioli and Haley are going to do come April...

NO ONE is thinking about taking Thigpen in the top 10 of the draft or paying him 75 million dollars.
I could be wrong but I dont see the Chiefs taking either QB prospect in the first round. I dont think either is worthy.

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cfl

NO ONE is thinking about taking Thigpen in the top 10 of the draft or paying him 75 million dollars.
I could be wrong but I dont see the Chiefs taking either QB prospect in the first round. I dont think either is worthy.

Well actually it is really not about what "we" think...

It comes down to the GM and HC... "We" have zero say so in the matter... "We" just get to speculate and name calling....

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 11:48 AM

Zombie, please list the posters who have been giving you positive rep. This will be of interest for a future project of mine.

You've listed the gang of 5. Now who are the more knowledgeable posters who have been encouraging you?

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-23-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Well actually it is really not about what "we" think...

It comes down to the GM and HC... "We" have zero say so in the matter... "We" just get to speculate and name calling....

I haven't been here in the past, but it can get pretty nasty in here. I am surprised. I really thought when Herm left, the fans would come back together. I was wrong.

I understand that we all have a different opinion, but what makes me laugh is the name calling when someone else doesn't agree.

Most of these arguments are nothing more than hyperbole and grandstanding.

The funniest part is that one guy is a dummy when he talks bad about a prospect that we like, but suddenly legitimized when he praises that guy.

All in all, you are right. We have zero say. It is fun to debate. I just don't know why it tends to spiral downward into name calling and ridiculous overstatments.

Hopefully, once the draft happens, the fans will start to come together again, because if I wanted a place to bitch and argue, I would create a message board with my wife!

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I haven't been here in the past, but it can get pretty nasty in here. I am surprised. I really thought when Herm left, the fans would come back together. I was wrong.

I understand that we all have a different opinion, but what makes me laugh is the name calling when someone else doesn't agree.

Most of these arguments are nothing more than hyperbole and grandstanding.

The funniest part is that one guy is a dummy when he talks bad about a prospect that we like, but suddenly legitimized when he praises that guy.

All in all, you are right. We have zero say. It is fun to debate. I just don't know why it tends to spiral downward into name calling and ridiculous overstatments.

Hopefully, once the draft happens, the fans will start to come together again, because if I wanted a place to bitch and argue, I would create a message board with my wife!

ChiefsPlanet does not operate on the premise that there is no such thing as a stupid question, or a stupid take for that matter.

I understand we heard these bullshit proclamations growing up, but they were false. There is actual stupidity in this world. Posters might be special to someone, but they're not necessarily special here.

We've all been on the receiving end to an extent, so people need not get their panties in a bunch. Wear thongs.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Zombie, please list the posters who have been giving you positive rep. This will be of interest for a future project of mine.

You've listed the gang of 5. Now who are the more knowledgeable posters who have been encouraging you?

they havent abused the system or sworn at me so why should i do that to them?

orange · 02-23-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Zombie, please list the posters who have been giving you positive rep. This will be of interest for a future project of mine.

You've listed the gang of 5. Now who are the more knowledgeable posters who have been encouraging you?

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

they havent abused the system or sworn at me so why should i do that to them?

I'll tell you one who's positive-repped him at least once - me. And he started out flaming me! It doesn't matter - repping someone is not an endorsement of his world-view, it's agreement with a statement. YOU repped me once - doesn't make you a Bronco fan.

* I think. I don't actually remember and I don't know how to see the reps you've sent people.

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I can guarantee you from experience that pioli zombie has received lots of rep for comments calling out posters for name-calling and profanity and general cock-headedness.

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

they havent abused the system or sworn at me so why should i do that to them?

You don't have to.

But you've repeatedly made claims that others are rooting you on, and, at times, you've attempted to be the voice of the majority against the gang of 5 or 14 or whatever the number.

I don't believe you've seen much support, so thus the request.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

I'll tell you one who's positive-repped him at least once - me. And he started out flaming me! It doesn't matter - repping someone is not an endorsement of his world-view, it's agreement with a statement. YOU repped me once - doesn't make you a Bronco fan.

* I think. I don't actually remember and I don't know how to see the reps you've sent people.

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

I'll tell you one who's positive-repped him at least once - me. And he started out flaming me! It doesn't matter - repping someone is not an endorsement of his world-view, it's agreement with a statement. YOU repped me once - doesn't make you a Bronco fan.

* I think. I don't actually remember and I don't know how to see the reps you've sent people.

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I can guarantee you from experience that pioli zombie has received lots of rep for comments calling out posters for name-calling and profanity.

Maybe this is the case.

And I don't hold you responsible for all of your poor decisions, thus some rep. for a Donkey.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You don't have to.

But you've repeatedly made claims that others are rooting you on, and, at times, you've attempted to be the voice of the majority against the gang of 5 or 14 or whatever the number.

I don't believe you've seen much support, so thus the request.

REP!

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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