NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 49

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:22 PM

What's the argument?

The argument is you need both sides of the ball.

You can build a defense mostly out of the 1st round but this idea you can just pull a QB out of your ass in the 6th round is ludicrous.

That's why I asked the question and I'll ask it again, how many 1st rounders do the Steelers have on offense and how many do they have on defense and who is the highest drafted player on their roster?

Rigodan · 02-23-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Without a defense, they lose too. You're making a poor argument.

You need both!!!! Damn't get this through your head!!!!

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Yeah, plus that Defense had nothing to do with getting them TO the Super Bowl - it was all Ben?

How many times did Roethlisberger lead a 4th quarter winning drive for them?

The point is you can't sit here and say the defense is more important than Roethlisberger is.

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How many times did Roethlisberger lead a 4th quarter winning drive for them?

The point is you can't sit here and say the defense is more important than Roethlisberger is.

for that team they probably are actually equal

Rigodan · 02-23-2009, 06:26 PM

You need a great defense and franchise qb. Franchise qbs are much harder to come by so if we pass up a chance to take one we run the risk of being the Minnesota Vikings. No playoff success.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:26 PM

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question.

Just Passin' By · 02-23-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

You need both!!!! Damn't get this through your head!!!!

Ummm.... that's what I've said.

CrazyHorse · 02-23-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

You need both!!!! Damn't get this through your head!!!!

Agreed.

If Stafford is there draft him. If not Curry.

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question.

what 6 times 7 but to be fair they wouldnt have been in many of those games if not for the d keeping them in it thats why i said BEN=defense on THAT team(sorry thought the question you were referencing was how many 4th qtr comebacks)

Just Passin' By · 02-23-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question.

Why? It's a stupid question. Brady was a 6th round pick, so do we somehow ignore him being a franchise quarterback for the Patriots? Your argument is bad because you're going overboard trying to make your point.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Why? It's a stupid question. Brady was a 6th round pick, so do we somehow ignore him being a franchise quarterback for the Patriots? Your argument is bad because you're going overboard trying to make your point.

Ah yes the Brady defense, when someone doesn't have another argument that is what they go to.

Well Tom Brady!

CrazyHorse · 02-23-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question.

I dont think anyone want to do the legwork for such a weak arguement. The answer wont mean that Sanchez is the answer.

I think most people know that the !# defense is the reason the Steelers won the SB.

A better question might be, how many middle of the road offenses have won a SB with no defense. Beecause that's where the Steelers are. Middle of the road on O.

Just Passin' By · 02-23-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ah yes the Brady defense, when someone doesn't have another argument that is what they go to.

Well Tom Brady!

It's not a defense. It's pointing out the obvious. The question of how many Steelers first round picks are on offense, defense or special teams is irrelevant.

CrazyHorse · 02-23-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's not a defense. It's pointing out the obvious. The question of how many Steelers first round picks are on offense, defense or special teams is irrelevant.

Not to mention the best QB on the field was Warner. Where was he drafted?

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ah yes the Brady defense, when someone doesn't have another argument that is what they go to.

Well Tom Brady!

it's overused sure, but it's a fact, some just dismiss it like its not true

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	What's the argument? The argument is you need both sides of the ball. You can build a defense mostly out of the 1st round but this idea you can just pull a QB out of your ass in the 6th round is ludicrous. That's why I asked the question and I'll ask it again, how many 1st rounders do the Steelers have on offense and how many do they have on defense and who is the highest drafted player on their roster?
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Rigodan Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	You need a great defense and franchise qb. Franchise qbs are much harder to come by so if we pass up a chance to take one we run the risk of being the Minnesota Vikings. No playoff success.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question.
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