NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 52

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is there anyone on this board who isn't a certified ****ing reerun?

what I'm saying is you have to get a ****ing QB when you have the opportunity, which they did....

we have the opportunity this year

jesus h christ

This offseason has brought out all kinds of reeruns.

orange · 02-23-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It only took Bill Cowher 15 years to realize he needed a real QB to win, any coach of any other team would have been fired years before for that kind of stupidity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is there anyone on this board who isn't a certified ****ing reerun?

what I'm saying is you have to get a ****ing QB when you have the opportunity, which they did....

we have the opportunity this year

jesus h christ

You two should work this out.

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It only took Bill Cowher 15 years to realize he needed a real QB to win, any coach of any other team would have been fired years before for that kind of stupidity.

was that his fault? who picks the players for pitt?

CrazyHorse · 02-23-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Great let em disagree with me, just like they can disagree with me about picking a RB in the 1st round.

Oh I get it now people are upset with me because they just think I'm a Sanchez homer and now we're back to the USC thing...

How amusing.

Um.....you are.

Look at your avvy and sig.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm not upset with you. You're using piss poor arguments to justify your position and I'm noting that. Despite what you seem to think, there is a difference.

Oh jesus, yes it's a poor argument as you went to..

Tom Brady!

**chiefforlife** · 02-23-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is there anyone on this board who isn't a certified ****ing reerun?

what I'm saying is you have to get a ****ing QB when you have the opportunity, which they did....

we have the opportunity this year

jesus h christ

So, if Pioli doesnt take a QB at the #3 spot, is he a certified reerun?

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

was that his fault? who picks the players for pitt?

He had a ton of say over their players, he got into a spat with their then GM Tom Donahoe and got him fired.

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

He had a ton of say over their players, he got into a spat with their then GM Tom Donahoe and got him fired.

so he didnt want ben? was that the spat? just wondering who had the final say cowher?

missinDThomas · 02-23-2009, 07:02 PM

Curry rnd 1 Freeman rnd 2

**the Talking Can** · 02-23-2009, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It only took Bill Cowher 15 years to realize he needed a real QB to win, any coach of any other team would have been fired years before for that kind of stupidity.

wasted years believing you don't need a QB....but hey they "built their team first"....so i guess wasting all those years is ok...

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so he didnt want ben? was that the spat? just wondering who had the final say cowher?

He had complete say by then....

But the fact still remains he wasted years on a guy like Kordell Stewart.

kstater · 02-23-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missinDThomas

Curry rnd 1 Freeman rnd 2

Freeman won't be there in round 2.

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

wasted years believing you don't need a QB....but hey they "built their team first"....so i guess wasting all those years is ok...

is that actually what they were thinking?

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missinDThomas

Curry rnd 1 Freeman rnd 2

Josh Freeman isn't lasting till round 2...

You know you'd get better value taking a QB first and taking a LB like Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round...

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2009, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

He had complete say by then....

But the fact still remains he wasted years on a guy like Kordell Stewart.

so he had complete control when stewart was picked?

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
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