NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 57

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

ChiefsCountry · 02-23-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Right.

It was the combine. The Sims selection had nothing to do with the Grandpa network.

Which was why we picked him but to say he was a reach is a complete lie.

Just Passin' By · 02-23-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Some of you morons would have us reach for a QB at #3, just like we reached for Sims at #6. How did that pan out? I can't wait to see his all-star production next year...

How is Sanchez a reach? Have you polled scouts, coaches or analysts and found that Sanchez is rated considerably lower than the #2 QB and a top 10 overall pick?

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Which was why we picked him but to say he was a reach is a complete lie.

Absolutely.

A lot of mocks had him going very high, and there was a good amount of debate about whether it was Sims or Peppers who was the more influential player.

Didn't UNC's own coach feed into this, IIRC?

ChiefsCountry · 02-23-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Absolutely.

A lot of mocks had him going very high, and there was a good amount of debate about whether it was Sims or Peppers who was the more influential player.

Didn't UNC's own coach feed into this, IIRC?

UNC's coach Bunting was Vermeil's buddy.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 08:29 PM

If the Chiefs hadn't taken Sims Minnesota was going to so the Chiefs weren't the only team that liked him...

And please don't talk about next year, those of us that want a QB are thinking about 3 years from now not what's gonna happen right now.

baitism · 02-23-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If the Chiefs hadn't taken Sims Minnesota was going to so the Chiefs weren't the only team that liked him...

And please don't talk about next year, those of us that want a QB are thinking about 3 years from now not what's gonna happen right now.

Three years from now with the Chiefs OL, Sanchez will probably be crippled. But then again, most QB's would.

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

UNC's coach Bunting was Vermeil's buddy.

No, not that. Wasn't the word that Bunting told Vermeil that Sims was the best player on the line?

For some reason, I thought this rumor started with reports from the horse's mouth.

ChiefsCountry · 02-23-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Three years from now with the Chiefs OL, Sanchez will probably be crippled. But then again, most QB's would.

You do realize there is 7 rounds in a draft, not to mention the draft this year is stacked with great guard and center propsects in the 2nd & 3rd round which was where Grunhard and Shields were taken. And next year's draft is loaded with defense.

kstater · 02-23-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Three years from now with the Chiefs OL, Sanchez will probably be crippled. But then again, most QB's would.

Without taking an OL in the 1st round the next 3 years, it has no chance of improving. That's why good teams consistently use multiple 1st round picks on the OL.

Coogs · 02-23-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Three years from now with the Chiefs OL, Sanchez will probably be crippled. But then again, most QB's would.

Contrary to popular belief, the draft will last more than one round. There will be another draft in each following year as well.

CanadaKC · 02-23-2009, 08:33 PM

Mecca is hell-bent at his position that a) the Chiefs draft Manchez at #3
and b) Freeman doesn't fall past 22

he's wrong on both parts...and I'm going to link this post when it happens.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 08:34 PM

A young qb that gets thrown out there will get the jim plunkett treatment. Stafford is no jim plunkett.
Posted via Mobile Device

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You do realize there is 7 rounds in a draft, not to mention the draft this year is stacked with great guard and center propsects in the 2nd & 3rd round which was where Grunhard and Shields were taken. And next year's draft is loaded with defense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

Without taking an OL in the 1st round the next 3 years, it has no chance of improving. That's why good teams consistently use multiple 1st round picks on the OL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

Contrary to popular belief, the draft will last more than one round. There will be another draft in each following year as well.

Well, I'd say that comment got a response.

Just Passin' By · 02-23-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

Contrary to popular belief, the draft will last more than one round. There will be another draft in each following year as well.

There's also free agency.

**DeezNutz** · 02-23-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadaKC

Mecca is hell-bent at his position that a) the Chiefs draft Manchez at #3
and b) Freeman doesn't fall past 22

he's wrong on both parts...and I'm going to link this post when it happens.

Freeman will go in round 1. Very possibly at #17.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $5988668	Mecca is hell-bent at his position that a) the Chiefs draft Manchez at #3 and b) Freeman doesn't fall past 22 he's wrong on both parts...and I'm going to link this post when it happens.
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