NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 59

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Sam Hall · 02-23-2009, 08:45 PM

I'm at the annual point where none of the potential first round picks look good.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 08:47 PM

So why didn't stafford throw at the combine?
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Mecca · 02-23-2009, 08:48 PM

Because he was advised not to...

baitism · 02-23-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You mean the freak accident in practice.

Was it an injury or not? Being a freak one doesn't matter. Most injuries are freak. Football players are too well conditioned for it not to be.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 08:49 PM

Did he miss any games?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

You are on!! Thx for stepping up to the plate

If the Chiefs take Curry or trade down- I win!
If the Chiefs take Sanchez at 3 or any other player at 3 besides Curry -you win!

Deal?

Deal.

ChiefsCountry · 02-23-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

Was it an injury or not? Being a freak one doesn't matter. Most injuries are freak. Football players are too well conditioned for it not to be.

He dislocated his kneecap and it popped right back into place. Then wore a brace the rest of the year. It wasnt like a MCL or ACL tear.

Mecca · 02-23-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

He dislocated his kneecap and it popped right back into place. Then wore a brace the rest of the year. It wasnt like a MCL or ACL tear.

You'd think he was Brodie Croyle the way some people are acting.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

LAWL...Because the Pats have a stellar ****ing draft record and Brady wasn't like hitting runner-runner for a straight flush, Roethlisberger was "safe", and the Ravens haven't spent two first round picks on QBs within five years of one another.

ChiefsCountry · 02-23-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'd think he was Brodie Croyle the way some people are acting.

I was a big supportive of Croyle and Sanchez is no way shape in form comparable body wise to Brodie.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The Steelers and their all world f'n QB should have managed more than 17 poinst against a lousy defense like the Cards. The Steeler defense still held them down and gave a mediocre performance from the lesser of the 2 QBs to be good enough to win.

Since when is 17 points agains a bottom ranked defense a great performance in a SB?

You just make it up as you go.

That defense is responsible for the win. Harrison, an OLB won that game.

Warner>Rothlesburger.

Was this before or after they gave up 377 yards through the air, and 14 points in 5 minutes in the biggest quarter of their lives?

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 09:05 PM

Its funny. I can't find any.of your mock drafts anywhere? Mecca, where did you post your mock draft?
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**chiefforlife** · 02-23-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Was this before or after they gave up 377 yards through the air, and 14 points in 5 minutes in the biggest quarter of their lives?

They were playing against the second best team in the league and they stopped them when it counted.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 09:10 PM

Can we please just close this ****ing board down for two days and fumigate to get rid of all these ****ing moron cockroaches?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cfl

They were playing against the second best team in the league and they stopped them when it counted.

Oh. So now when the other team gets the ball with 25 seconds left needing to go 80 yards and they don't, you get credited as "stopping" them?

So, the 80 and 65 yard drives that Arizona had directly preceding this, where they actually had time, and where Pitt failed miserably, don't count as them being unable to stop them?

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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