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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

So his brother is a liar?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allt...hez-agent.html

It's almost like you don't even read the ****ing posts.

Just Passin' By · 02-26-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's almost like you don't even read the ****ing posts.

Yes. You got the roles screwed up and I didn't read the posts. More brilliance on your part.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yes. You got the roles screwed up and I didn't read the posts. More brilliance on your part.

The question about what hiring his brother demonstrates is valid, but because it goes to decision making,.

No, it's not, because he has a well-developed support system, and he has outside representation:

Case in point of what I was alluding to:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=218

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...nt#post5515773

Just Passin' By · 02-26-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The question about what hiring his brother demonstrates is valid, but because it goes to decision making,.

No, it's not, because he has a well-developed support system, and he has outside representation:

Case in point of what I was alluding to:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=218

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...nt#post5515773

You made assertions is this thread. The assertions were wrong. This was gently pointed out to you by Doomy, yet you continued on about it. You were wrong. Admit it or

. It's bad enough that you don't seem to know a damned thing, but you can't even admit you made the obvious error? Sanchez DID, in fact, hire his brother as his agent.

Now, run along and let the adults talk. Come back when you can play nice.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You made assertions is this thread. The assertions were wrong. This was gently pointed out to you by Doomy, yet you continued on about it. You were wrong. Admit it or

. It's bad enough that you don't seem to know a damned thing, but you can't even admit you made the obvious error? Sanchez DID, in fact, hire his brother as his agent.

Now, run along and let the adults talk. Come back when you can play nice.

I didn't see Doomy's post. I swapped the roles definitely, but those who were denigrating Sanchez were doing so on the premise that he hired his brother as his agent and his brother only, and that his brother was unqualified.

This isn't a Master P situation.

Furthermore, not only is Sanchez's brother a lawyer, but he is also advised by an agency that represents several NFL quarterbacks.

Thus, I refer to my prior assertion: claims about his lack of maturity or stupidity vis-a-vis that selection were, and remain, completely erroneous and without merit.

Just Passin' By · 02-26-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I didn't see Doomy's post. I swapped the roles definitely, but those who were denigrating Sanchez were doing so on the premise that he hired his brother as his agent and his brother only, and that his brother was unqualified.

This isn't a Master P situation.

Furthermore, not only is Sanchez's brother a lawyer, but he is also advised by an agency that represents several NFL quarterbacks.

Thus, I refer to my prior assertion: claims about his lack of maturity or stupidity vis-a-vis that selection were, and remain, completely erroneous and without merit.

Ok, now you admitted your mistake. Was that so difficult to do?

As for the Master P comparison, as I stated earlier, I hadn't come down on either side of the equation. I merely noted that it's a legitimate question. Now, you feel comfortable about how it's been dealt with and, at first blush, I don't see any problem with the way Sanchez is doing this, but it doesn't mean that it's somehow off the table as a question, no matter what your opinion on the subject happens to be.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Ok, now you admitted your mistake. Was that so difficult to do?

As for the Master P comparison, as I stated earlier, I hadn't come down on either side of the equation. I merely noted that it's a legitimate question. Now, you feel comfortable about how it's been dealt with and, at first blush, I don't see any problem with the way Sanchez is doing this, but it doesn't mean that it's somehow off the table as a question, no matter what your opinion on the subject happens to be.

Dude, the entire premise of raising the question was done so on the belief that his brother was A) just his brother B) had no other training and C) Sanchez lacked other representation.

All were categorically false.

I presented this to you in link form, so that you could investigate it yourself. But like a true asshole, you continued on with your argument without seeing where it originated from, or its basis in reality.

If I say I don't want to draft Aaron Curry because he ****s tabby cats, it doesn't make it a legitimate red flag.

This kind of purposeful obtuseness and intellectual dishonesty is just sad.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-26-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I didn't see Doomy's post. I swapped the roles definitely, but those who were denigrating Sanchez were doing so on the premise that he hired his brother as his agent and his brother only, and that his brother was unqualified.

This isn't a Master P situation.

Furthermore, not only is Sanchez's brother a lawyer, but he is also advised by an agency that represents several NFL quarterbacks.

Thus, I refer to my prior assertion: claims about his lack of maturity or stupidity vis-a-vis that selection were, and remain, completely erroneous and without merit.

Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

Doctors are told to never operate on their own family. The risks are too high, and their decision making is clouded by emotional connections.

Agents have to be pro athlete at the table, but objective away from it.

How objective would a brother be?

Also, it isn't just the one thing. It is a mixture of things.

It is blowing off Carroll and his parents when they advised him to stay in school. This is the biggest thing.

It is also hiring his brother as an agent.

And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

**DeezNutz** · 02-26-2009, 12:19 PM

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And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

Passin' By just sent me a PM that accused you of enjoying shark pron.

I'm sorry, Sensible, but this has raised serious questions about your character.

bdeg · 02-26-2009, 12:20 PM

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Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

Doctors are told to never operate on their own family. The risks are too high, and their decision making is clouded by emotional connections.

Agents have to be pro athlete at the table, but objective away from it.

How objective would a brother be?

Also, it isn't just the one thing. It is a mixture of things.

It is blowing off Carroll and his parents when they advised him to stay in school. This is the biggest thing.

It is also hiring his brother as an agent.

And, even though he didn't get charged, the fact that he was even accused of sexual assault has to at least raise a question in your mind.

You don't ever wonder if a holdout could be about a player blindly obeying an agent holding out for another 100k in his pocket? How much happier is that extra half a mil going to make a player compared to getting to training camp on time?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 12:22 PM

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Even if his brother were an agent, I don't think it is wise to hire them. Agents need to be advocates, but also be able to distance themselves from the situation.

I can't think of a better advocate for someone than a family member. I highly doubt he's going to try and screw over his own brother for an extra few K in commission by signing him to a bad deal, he's definitely no more likely to do so than John Q. Agent.

My god, the annals of sports history are littered with predatory agents who screw over their clientele for their own personal gain.