Chiefs Mike Vrabel - Page 5

Amnorix · 02-27-2009, 09:38 PM

As I did when Pioli came over, I'll post a separate thread because I think it's fair to say that I might have just a little more knowledge about the guy than most on here.

What you guys have traded for is a very smart, team-driven, reliable and consistent performer able to play both inside and outside linebacker in the 3-4, with championship credentials and very good leadership skills.

In my opinion, the reasons that the Chiefs have made this trade are as follows:

1. Veteran leadership. The Chiefs are VERY young. Rather than yet another young draft pick player, the Chiefs have decided that even though he is on the downside of his career and will only play for another year or two, it is important to bring in someone who can show the younger players HOW to practice, HOW to review film, HOW to prepare for games and be coachable, and HOW to play 3-4 linebacker.

2. Defensive flexibility. Vrabel can play both inside and outside in the 3-4 with relatively equal facility. A solid performer, he can set the edge, rush the passer and play hardnosed in the middle.

3. Position flexibility. In addition to his inside/outside talents in the 3-4, he also plays TE in goal line situations, showing the rest of the team that he is able and willing to do WHATEVER the coaches ask to help the team win.

He is, of course, on the downside of his career. Last year there was a very noticeable dropoff in his ability to make impact plays. Whereas in years gone by he stood out on the field for making key plays, last year he wasn't very noticeable. That's good in that you didn't often look at him as having screwed something up, but it's bad in that he wasn't making the strip-sacks that had earned him the love of Patriots fans.

Many here denigrate what he will bring ON the field, and wonder why the Chiefs are giving up anything for him. What you need to understand is that as much as they want what he brings on the field, what they are really bringing him here for is what he brings OFF the field. That is what makes him valuable to a ridiculously young, inexperienced Chiefs team.

And when he talks, those young guys will listen. His three rings ensure that. He will also help the coaches enforce their ways inside the locker room, and get the Chiefs players moving and operating in the right direction.

Though Pats fans knew his time was drawing near, we basically feel like there's been a death in teh family. Vrabel was universally loved and respected by Patriots fans, and we're very sad to see him go.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_Camel

Then why can't you trust his judgement?

What is wrong with me wishing he had kept that pick and used it on a young player that could still be here and contribute to a future SB win?

Contrary to popular belief, the guy isn't the God of all GM's.

He's made mistakes before, and he'll make them again.

You have to be the homer of all homers to agree with everything an organization does. I'm sure Amnorix can tell you stories of times they thought Pioli made a mistake.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

No way you just said that.....

Say what?

That Pioli has a history of picking serviceable players in the late rounds, and that I prefer he kept that pick, instead of trading it for a LB that won't be on the roster in 2 years?

rad · 02-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Say what?

That Pioli has a history of picking serviceable players in the late rounds, and that I prefer he kept that pick, instead of trading it for a LB that won't be on the roster in 2 years?

"Tom Brady"

**DeezNutz** · 02-27-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by txhawk

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

Why not? It's a big crowd.

Start a Stafford/Sanchez thread and see what happens.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by txhawk

The Tom Brady notion is spot on. But it's kinda one of those once in a lifetime kinda things don't you think.

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

Who said anything about "finding our Brady?"

I'm just pointing out that Pioli has done a good job in the late rounds.

Missing out on say, a guy like Koppen (as an example) to trade for Vrabel frustrates the hell out of me.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

"Tom Brady"

The schmuck part was a joke.

And as I pointed out, I'm not expecting to find "Our Brady." My thoughts on that subject are well documented.

But I'd rather have the opportunity to draft a young player with potential, than to use that pick on an aging vet.

JMO.

**PHOG** · 02-27-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What is wrong with me wishing he had kept that pick and used it on a young player that could still be here and contribute to a future SB win?

Contrary to popular belief, the guy isn't the God of all GM's.

He's made mistakes before, and he'll make them again.

You have to be the homer of all homers to agree with everything an organization does. I'm sure Amnorix can tell you stories of times they thought Pioli made a mistake.

His percentages ARE BETTER THAN ANYTHING we've had in.....evar!

Joe_Camel · 02-27-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What is wrong with me wishing he had kept that pick and used it on a young player that could still be here and contribute to a future SB win?

Contrary to popular belief, the guy isn't the God of all GM's.

He's made mistakes before, and he'll make them again.

You have to be the homer of all homers to agree with everything an organization does. I'm sure Amnorix can tell you stories of times they thought Pioli made a mistake.

He may have made a mistake, but I don't think that any of us should lose any sleep over a trade for a good veteran player for a draft pick that may or may not be in the later rounds of the draft. I mean we did just pick up 12 rookies in the draft last year.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

Hamas would rather eat the dried shit out of Chewbacca's ass fur than give up any pick for Mike Vrabel.

He is the master of overexaggeration.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PHOG

His percentages ARE BETTER THAN ANYTHING we've had in.....evar!

I'm not knocking the guy.

I just don't agree with this decision.

rad · 02-27-2009, 10:58 PM

As far as my take on the situation goes, I don't have one yet. I will wait and and see when the details come out to formulate my opinion. As far as speculation goes, if it's a 6 or 7, I'm OK with it then. I believe the residual effect of having a veteran presence on the field for a season or two will help our younger players when this team is ready to compete.

rad · 02-27-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The schmuck part was a joke.

And as I pointed out, I'm not expecting to find "Our Brady." My thoughts on that subject are well documented.

But I'd rather have the opportunity to draft a young player with potential, than to use that pick on an aging vet.

JMO.

Noted.

PastorMikH · 02-27-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

What you need to understand is that as much as they want what he brings on the field, what they are really bringing him here for is what he brings OFF the field. That is what makes him valuable to a ridiculously young, inexperienced Chiefs team.

This is the thing that has been rolling over in my mind since hearing the word this morning about the trade.

Amnorix · 02-27-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

I couldn't remember exactly. I don't pay a lot of attention to the Jets or Patriots and never have. I hate both those teams.

No offense.

No, that's fine. If I wanted to hang out with nothing but Patriots fans, I obviously wouldn't be here.

Amnorix · 02-27-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Yup, and years of Bobby Grier giving out top-tier contracts that murdered our salary cap, too. The Pats had some good players when he arrived: Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc., but they were by no means a good team.

Right, plus 3 completely wasted drafts under Grier. That was as bad as anything.

02-27-2009, 09:38 PM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Mike Vrabel As I did when Pioli came over, I'll post a separate thread because I think it's fair to say that I might have just a little more knowledge about the guy than most on here. What you guys have traded for is a very smart, team-driven, reliable and consistent performer able to play both inside and outside linebacker in the 3-4, with championship credentials and very good leadership skills. In my opinion, the reasons that the Chiefs have made this trade are as follows: 1. Veteran leadership. The Chiefs are VERY young. Rather than yet another young draft pick player, the Chiefs have decided that even though he is on the downside of his career and will only play for another year or two, it is important to bring in someone who can show the younger players HOW to practice, HOW to review film, HOW to prepare for games and be coachable, and HOW to play 3-4 linebacker. 2. Defensive flexibility. Vrabel can play both inside and outside in the 3-4 with relatively equal facility. A solid performer, he can set the edge, rush the passer and play hardnosed in the middle. 3. Position flexibility. In addition to his inside/outside talents in the 3-4, he also plays TE in goal line situations, showing the rest of the team that he is able and willing to do WHATEVER the coaches ask to help the team win. He is, of course, on the downside of his career. Last year there was a very noticeable dropoff in his ability to make impact plays. Whereas in years gone by he stood out on the field for making key plays, last year he wasn't very noticeable. That's good in that you didn't often look at him as having screwed something up, but it's bad in that he wasn't making the strip-sacks that had earned him the love of Patriots fans. Many here denigrate what he will bring ON the field, and wonder why the Chiefs are giving up anything for him. What you need to understand is that as much as they want what he brings on the field, what they are really bringing him here for is what he brings OFF the field. That is what makes him valuable to a ridiculously young, inexperienced Chiefs team. And when he talks, those young guys will listen. His three rings ensure that. He will also help the coaches enforce their ways inside the locker room, and get the Chiefs players moving and operating in the right direction. Though Pats fans knew his time was drawing near, we basically feel like there's been a death in teh family. Vrabel was universally loved and respected by Patriots fans, and we're very sad to see him go.
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