Mike Vrabel

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think Waters is going to be thought of as a team leader after what's been going on here...our team is full of soft players..

Personally when I saw the trade when I woke up today the first thing out of my mouth was "Scott Pioli thinks our team has no player leadership"

He would be right.

Seriously, how the **** could Waters and Gonzalez try to back Herm?

The only reason is because Herm gave them a country club atmosphere.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

He would be right.

Seriously, how the **** could Waters and Gonzalez try to back Herm?

The only reason is because Herm gave them a country club atmosphere.

Brian Waters is like a big mouthed self important leader and I've never considered Gonzalez a team leader, he's been a great player but I don't think he's "a leader" by any means.

Tony Gonzalez idea of leading is thinking about what's best for Tony Gonzalez.