Chiefs Mike Vrabel - Page 10

Amnorix · 02-27-2009, 09:38 PM

As I did when Pioli came over, I'll post a separate thread because I think it's fair to say that I might have just a little more knowledge about the guy than most on here.

What you guys have traded for is a very smart, team-driven, reliable and consistent performer able to play both inside and outside linebacker in the 3-4, with championship credentials and very good leadership skills.

In my opinion, the reasons that the Chiefs have made this trade are as follows:

1. Veteran leadership. The Chiefs are VERY young. Rather than yet another young draft pick player, the Chiefs have decided that even though he is on the downside of his career and will only play for another year or two, it is important to bring in someone who can show the younger players HOW to practice, HOW to review film, HOW to prepare for games and be coachable, and HOW to play 3-4 linebacker.

2. Defensive flexibility. Vrabel can play both inside and outside in the 3-4 with relatively equal facility. A solid performer, he can set the edge, rush the passer and play hardnosed in the middle.

3. Position flexibility. In addition to his inside/outside talents in the 3-4, he also plays TE in goal line situations, showing the rest of the team that he is able and willing to do WHATEVER the coaches ask to help the team win.

He is, of course, on the downside of his career. Last year there was a very noticeable dropoff in his ability to make impact plays. Whereas in years gone by he stood out on the field for making key plays, last year he wasn't very noticeable. That's good in that you didn't often look at him as having screwed something up, but it's bad in that he wasn't making the strip-sacks that had earned him the love of Patriots fans.

Many here denigrate what he will bring ON the field, and wonder why the Chiefs are giving up anything for him. What you need to understand is that as much as they want what he brings on the field, what they are really bringing him here for is what he brings OFF the field. That is what makes him valuable to a ridiculously young, inexperienced Chiefs team.

And when he talks, those young guys will listen. His three rings ensure that. He will also help the coaches enforce their ways inside the locker room, and get the Chiefs players moving and operating in the right direction.

Though Pats fans knew his time was drawing near, we basically feel like there's been a death in teh family. Vrabel was universally loved and respected by Patriots fans, and we're very sad to see him go.

Amnorix · 02-28-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Dolphins beat two teams with winning records. Two. They paid for a lot of FAs and signed a game manager to get up to that Carl Peterson era of mediocrity.

When they go 6-10 next year, people aren't going to be as impressed with that core.

6-10 is probably about right.

But you're all missing the point I'm trying to make anyway, so forget it.

Night all.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 12:19 AM

Just please tell me Amnorix you don't think we're trading the 3rd pick for Cassell.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 12:21 AM

And people aren't understanding the anger over the Vrabel signing. Most of it stems from the move to a 3-4 which totally misuses our #5 overall pick from last year. To us, that seems ridiculously inflexible and hopelessly myopic. Whatever happened to fitting the scheme to suit your players.

Guys like Tamba Hali aren't world beaters, but he can give you 6-8 sacks from the left end position in the 4-3. That has value. Glenn Dorsey has Warren Sapp type ability in a 3-4, but he is too small to play the nose, and too short and too important to play the end.

Those guys are worth something, and if we are flushing their talents due to such a strong committment to a scheme which is no better than any other, I question the judgment involved in such move.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 12:23 AM

We went from a cover 2 coach to a 3-4 regime...pretty much every front 7 player Herm Edwards picked is now going to need to be replaced.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

We went from a cover 2 coach to a 3-4 regime...pretty much every front 7 player Herm Edwards picked is now going to need to be replaced.

And that's what angers me.

Tomlin kept the 3-4 in Pittsburgh even though he's a Dungy disciple.

People need to realize that schemes are roughly equal. There is nothing in a 3-4 that makes it intrinsically better than a 4-3. So, if you have 4-3 talent, but no 3-4 talent, why waste that talent?

It just doesn't seem logical.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 12:31 AM

Well I don't think we should run cover 2, that scheme is outdated.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I don't think we should run cover 2, that scheme is outdated.

I don't like the Cover 2 either. We should just run a base 4-3 with elements of Cover 1 to augment for our lack of a rush and good corners. It fits the abilities of DJ, Dorsey, and Hali

kcchiefsus · 02-28-2009, 12:34 AM

I just feel sorry for Vrabel. He is being forced to come from the best run franchise in the NFL to this shit hole.

Mecca · 02-28-2009, 12:36 AM

It might just be me but I don't remotely care about Hali or DJ anymore they've had enough time to prove themselves and haven't.

Molitoth · 02-28-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It might just be me but I don't remotely care about Hali or DJ anymore they've had enough time to prove themselves and haven't.

I second this....

Does anyone remember saying "scrap the whole damn thing and start over?"
It seems that was the chant last year on chiefs planet. Now that its happening people are freaking out, wtf?????

BradyFTW! · 02-28-2009, 12:45 AM

Most of you probably don't care, but if you want to see a little bit of what Vrabel's about, check out this link: www nfl com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80747dba

wild1 · 02-28-2009, 12:48 AM

I am ok with Cassel, Stafford, Sanchez, whoever. So long as we get one.

I dont want us to trade the 3rd pick for Cassel. What if we traded picks with the Pats in the first round though?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I second this....

Does anyone remember saying "scrap the whole damn thing and start over?"
It seems that was the chant last year on chiefs planet. Now that its happening people are freaking out, wtf?????

3% of my concern is about those two players.

97% is about Dorsey.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I am ok with Cassel, Stafford, Sanchez, whoever. So long as we get one.

I dont want us to trade the 3rd pick for Cassel. What if we traded picks with the Pats in the first round though?

That's worth our 2nd-7th round picks plus a first rounder next year.

Think about that.

FAX · 02-28-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It might just be me but I don't remotely care about Hali or DJ anymore they've had enough time to prove themselves and haven't.

Warning, Will Robinson!!!

You might want to back up just a ding dang dimply darn moment there, Mr. Mecca. Our team has been coached by the most ineffective, ignorant, impotent, infantile, inept, inane, and imbecilic loggerheaded lumpenites ever to carry a whistle.

We don't know what we have. Especially on defense.

FAX

02-27-2009, 09:38 PM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Mike Vrabel As I did when Pioli came over, I'll post a separate thread because I think it's fair to say that I might have just a little more knowledge about the guy than most on here. What you guys have traded for is a very smart, team-driven, reliable and consistent performer able to play both inside and outside linebacker in the 3-4, with championship credentials and very good leadership skills. In my opinion, the reasons that the Chiefs have made this trade are as follows: 1. Veteran leadership. The Chiefs are VERY young. Rather than yet another young draft pick player, the Chiefs have decided that even though he is on the downside of his career and will only play for another year or two, it is important to bring in someone who can show the younger players HOW to practice, HOW to review film, HOW to prepare for games and be coachable, and HOW to play 3-4 linebacker. 2. Defensive flexibility. Vrabel can play both inside and outside in the 3-4 with relatively equal facility. A solid performer, he can set the edge, rush the passer and play hardnosed in the middle. 3. Position flexibility. In addition to his inside/outside talents in the 3-4, he also plays TE in goal line situations, showing the rest of the team that he is able and willing to do WHATEVER the coaches ask to help the team win. He is, of course, on the downside of his career. Last year there was a very noticeable dropoff in his ability to make impact plays. Whereas in years gone by he stood out on the field for making key plays, last year he wasn't very noticeable. That's good in that you didn't often look at him as having screwed something up, but it's bad in that he wasn't making the strip-sacks that had earned him the love of Patriots fans. Many here denigrate what he will bring ON the field, and wonder why the Chiefs are giving up anything for him. What you need to understand is that as much as they want what he brings on the field, what they are really bringing him here for is what he brings OFF the field. That is what makes him valuable to a ridiculously young, inexperienced Chiefs team. And when he talks, those young guys will listen. His three rings ensure that. He will also help the coaches enforce their ways inside the locker room, and get the Chiefs players moving and operating in the right direction. Though Pats fans knew his time was drawing near, we basically feel like there's been a death in teh family. Vrabel was universally loved and respected by Patriots fans, and we're very sad to see him go.
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02-28-2009, 12:19 AM	#137
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02-28-2009, 12:21 AM	#138
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	And people aren't understanding the anger over the Vrabel signing. Most of it stems from the move to a 3-4 which totally misuses our #5 overall pick from last year. To us, that seems ridiculously inflexible and hopelessly myopic. Whatever happened to fitting the scheme to suit your players. Guys like Tamba Hali aren't world beaters, but he can give you 6-8 sacks from the left end position in the 4-3. That has value. Glenn Dorsey has Warren Sapp type ability in a 3-4, but he is too small to play the nose, and too short and too important to play the end. Those guys are worth something, and if we are flushing their talents due to such a strong committment to a scheme which is no better than any other, I question the judgment involved in such move. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-28-2009, 12:23 AM	#139
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	We went from a cover 2 coach to a 3-4 regime...pretty much every front 7 player Herm Edwards picked is now going to need to be replaced.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Well I don't think we should run cover 2, that scheme is outdated.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	It might just be me but I don't remotely care about Hali or DJ anymore they've had enough time to prove themselves and haven't.
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02-28-2009, 12:48 AM	#147
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