Chiefs Matt Cassel: Good or Bad? - Page 16

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-28-2009, 01:32 PM

We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down.

I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong.

Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.

**Rausch** · 02-28-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante

I think we can all agree that if Cassel pans out as a great franchise quarterback, Pollard is getting his number retired.

And if he doesn't Pioli will watch his car explode while eating linguini with red sauce...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If we discount bad kicks in playoffs, Carl Peterson would be higher on my list.

And even if we don't, Polian has achieved more than anyone in the game.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

I'm not sold on Cassel, but it's better than our QB situation last year.

Maybe we'll pull a Cleveland and draft Stafford anyway.

I know I'll get laughed at and kicked all around the board for it, but I think there's still a chance( however small )that we might still pull the trigger on Mark or Matt.

If the Pats valued the position as much as some say, why wouldn't Pioli do it?

You gotta' have somebody to start and mentor the kid anyway, right?

We'll see.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-28-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Well, if anybody had actually bothered to read the post that started this thread, they'd realize the idea here is to talk about Cassel on his own merit, and not make the thread about whether it's a good trade or not (I think it was in terms of pure value, as I've said a couple of times, although I'm not a big fan of Cassel) or whether we'd be better off with a 1st round pick.

The question was whether you think Cassel is good or a bad choice for quarterback of the future. Yes or no. Not whether it was a good trade or whether we should've drafted somebody else at #3.

Personally, I don't think Cassel is a franchise QB, and that's why I voted no. I'd really like an Elway or a Montana behind center, and I don't think he's that. That doesn't mean I believe he'll suck or that we can't possibly win games with him managing things behind center, only that I don't think he's going to be one of the top QBs in the NFL for the next decade, or that he's going to carry the team on his own merits. Which are the qualities I'd look for in a quarterback of the future.

Either way, he's the quarterback of the now.

Exactly.

keg in kc · 02-28-2009, 04:52 PM

One thing I will add, which is against the tone of the thread:

I think if the parties involved believed Cassel was a franchise quarterback, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the price would have been (much) higher. Which is part of the reason I'm okay with the trade. Because a part of me still thinks we'll still be on the lookout for a QBotF down the road. This trade may just be a temporary move to fill a dire need the best way that they can in 2009, and if it turns out that he booms, well, so much the better.

Or they may think he's the next Brady.

It's all a guessing game.

**mlyonsd** · 02-28-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The question was whether you think Cassel is good or a bad choice for quarterback of the future. Yes or no. Not whether it was a good trade or whether we should've drafted somebody else at #3.

If I didn't think so I wouldn't have voted yes.

But part of the question is whether or not you think drafting an unproven QB at #3 is a good risk when a guy like Cassel is available to you.

I think Stafford will be gone by our pick and I truly don't believe Sanchez was worth the #3 pick.

-King- · 02-28-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Well, if anybody had actually bothered to read the post that started this thread, they'd realize the idea here is to talk about Cassel on his own merit, and not make the thread about whether it's a good trade or not (I think it was in terms of pure value, as I've said a couple of times, although I'm not a big fan of Cassel) or whether we'd be better off with a 1st round pick.

The question was whether you think Cassel is good or a bad choice for quarterback of the future. Yes or no. Not whether it was a good trade or whether we should've drafted somebody else at #3.

Personally, I don't think Cassel is a franchise QB, and that's why I voted no. I'd really like an Elway or a Montana behind center, and I don't think he's that. That doesn't mean I believe he'll suck or that we can't possibly win games with him managing things behind center, only that I don't think he's going to be one of the top QBs in the NFL for the next decade, or that he's going to carry the team on his own merits. Which are the qualities I'd look for in a quarterback of the future.

Either way, he's the quarterback of the now.

Everybody wants a Elway/Montana. But there are MAYBE 2-3 Montana/Elway-esque qbs in the league right now.

Coach · 02-28-2009, 04:55 PM

Chiefs' last 15 2nd round picks:

Brandon Flowers
Turk McBride
Bernard Pollard
Junior Siavii
Kris Wilson
Kawika Mitchell
Eddie Freeman
William Bartee
Mike Cloud
Kevin Lockett
Reggie Tongue
Donnell Bennett
Darrin Mickell
Matt Blundin
Joe Valerio

You be the judge...

keg in kc · 02-28-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

If I didn't think so I wouldn't have voted yes.

I realize that, I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of people here making the mistaken assumption that this thread is about the trade, and that it is possible to be okay with the trade without being in love with the player. And that you don't have to have a man-crush on Sanchez or Stafford or anybody else to vote "no".

**Rain Man** · 02-28-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I know I'll get laughed at and kicked all around the board for it, but I think there's still a chance( however small )that we might still pull the trigger on Mark or Matt.

If the Pats valued the position as much as some say, why wouldn't Pioli do it?

You gotta' have somebody to start and mentor the kid anyway, right?

We'll see.

Admittedly, that thought occurred to me as well. If we make the assumption that all of the GMs secretly love these guys and Pioli is assuming that neither will drop to 3, then he's hedging his 2,200 point first-round pick with a 480 point second-round pick. It's a classic hedging strategy. If he gets a shining American hero in the first, he'll gladly sacrifice his second. If not, he automatically got a starting QB with his second.

Mr. Kotter · 02-28-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante

I think we can all agree that if Cassel pans out as a great franchise quarterback, Pollard is getting his number retired.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Chiefs' last 15 2nd round picks:

Brandon Flowers
Turk McBride
Bernard Pollard
Junior Siavii
Kris Wilson
Kawika Mitchell
Eddie Freeman
William Bartee
Mike Cloud
Kevin Lockett
Reggie Tongue
Donnell Bennett
Darrin Mickell
Matt Blundin
Joe Valerio

You be the judge...

And that's all.

keg in kc · 02-28-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Everybody wants a Elway/Montana. But there are MAYBE 2-3 Montana/Elway-esque qbs in the league right now.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for that.

**Rausch** · 02-28-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Chiefs' last 15 2nd round picks:

Brandon Flowers
Turk McBride
Bernard Pollard
Junior Siavii
Kris Wilson
Kawika Mitchell
Eddie Freeman
William Bartee
Mike Cloud
Kevin Lockett
Reggie Tongue
Donnell Bennett
Darrin Mickell
Matt Blundin
Joe Valerio

You be the judge...

And the sad thing is that Joe Valerio probably leads that list in TD's...

**mlyonsd** · 02-28-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach

Chiefs' last 15 2nd round picks:

Brandon Flowers
Turk McBride
Bernard Pollard
Junior Siavii
Kris Wilson
Kawika Mitchell
Eddie Freeman
William Bartee
Mike Cloud
Kevin Lockett
Reggie Tongue
Donnell Bennett
Darrin Mickell
Matt Blundin
Joe Valerio

You be the judge...

Where's Darrin Mickell when you need him?

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02-28-2009, 01:32 PM
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	One thing I will add, which is against the tone of the thread: I think if the parties involved believed Cassel was a franchise quarterback, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the price would have been (much) higher. Which is part of the reason I'm okay with the trade. Because a part of me still thinks we'll still be on the lookout for a QBotF down the road. This trade may just be a temporary move to fill a dire need the best way that they can in 2009, and if it turns out that he booms, well, so much the better. Or they may think he's the next Brady. It's all a guessing game.
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