NFL Draft If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do? - Page 11

journeyscarab · 02-28-2009, 11:07 PM

Say the Lions draft Curry, Rams draft Smith....do we take Monroe/Orakpo/or drop a few spots to get someone else?

HC_Chief · 03-01-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Do me a favor, go look up how many teams right now have 2 1st round OT's...

Who cares? Seriously? You are hung up on what other people have done; on imaginary board position/value numbers.

You do what you have to do to improve your team through the draft. If that means taking OT in the first round two years in a row, so be it. If it pisses off Mel Kiper & his clones, who gives a shit?

KC has needs at OL, LB, DL, WR.

Of those positions, where is the greatest player value at #3? Note that all things are not equal. You have stronger OL and WR prospects at that position than you do DL and arguably LB. While all of the positions have strong value, where is the greatest and where does it help the Chiefs the most? Now consider the trade for a QB.

OL makes sense. To say it is ludicrous/illogical is patently false. It is extremely logical that KC could draft Monroe, best OT available.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-01-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

I didn't say I wanted anything - I said what I thought would happen.

KC has need at OT. They have a LT in Albert that has played multiple OL positions. They have a VERY high pick with several needs; greatest player value where they are at = Monroe. He is a very good LT prospect.

It makes sense. Especially when you consider KC just traded for a QB. They know they have to keep their QBs healthy, esp after a year where they lost TWO starters.

If they draft Monroe, they move Albert to RT.

The other options: Curry and Raji are logical as well, however they bring up counter-points, just like Monroe.

It sounds good in theory, but you're basically using a top 5 pick on a guard or a right tackle when in practice most of those guys aren't taken until the very late first or early second. Because when you do a slight upgrade at left tackle and move your current left tackle to guard or tackle, you are mostly doing that because you want to upgrade at right tackle.

Mecca · 03-01-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Who cares? Seriously? You are hung up on what other people have done; on imaginary board position/value numbers.

You do what you have to do to improve your team through the draft. If that means taking OT in the first round two years in a row, so be it. If it pisses off Mel Kiper & his clones, who gives a shit?

KC has needs at OL, LB, DL, WR.

Of those positions, where is the greatest player value at #3? Note that all things are not equal. You have stronger OL and WR prospects at that position than you do DL and arguably LB. While all of the positions have strong value, where is the greatest and where does it help the Chiefs the most? Now consider the trade for a QB.

OL makes sense. To say it is ludicrous/illogical is patently false. It is extremely logical that KC could draft Monroe, best OT available.

It's a huge damn deal, no other team has done it, most teams don't even have more than 1 first round lineman on the entire line. You're going to overvalue the position to such a level that it will screw us cap wise.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-01-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

I didn't say I wanted anything - I said what I thought would happen.

KC has need at OT. They have a LT in Albert that has played multiple OL positions. They have a VERY high pick with several needs; greatest player value where they are at = Monroe. He is a very good LT prospect.

It makes sense. Especially when you consider KC just traded for a QB. They know they have to keep their QBs healthy, esp after a year where they lost TWO starters.

If they draft Monroe, they move Albert to RT.

The other options: Curry and Raji are logical as well, however they bring up counter-points, just like Monroe.

No, it's pretty ****ing simple.

If you stay at 3, you take Raji. If you get someone to move up for Sanchez, you can take Raji, Brown, or Maclin in the 6-10 range.

You don't spend a first on a LT when you have a LT and you can fill every other position on the line outside of the first round.

How is that so hard to understand?

Remember the Chiefs line of '03-'05?

1st round LT, UD LG, UD C, 3rd Round RG, 4th round RT.

One of the best lines in league history.

HC_Chief · 03-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's pretty ****ing simple.

If you stay at 3, you take Raji. If you get someone to move up for Sanchez, you can take Raji, Brown, or Maclin in the 6-10 range.

You don't spend a first on a LT when you have a LT and you can fill every other position on the line outside of the first round.

How is that so hard to understand?

Remember the Chiefs line of '03-'05?

1st round LT, UD LG, UD C, 3rd Round RG, 4th round RT.

One of the best lines in league history.

Again with the condescension... and you guys wonder why you are called names and treated like assholes.... because your behavior warrants it!

Note the bolded part, now note the thread title.

Raji -v- Monroe is a valid argument, but on the merits of the player & his value at #3 & to the team, not on your opinion of a position's value within the draft.

How many of our #1s have we spent on DT?

Raji = Dorsey. Is the need greater?

Mecca · 03-01-2009, 01:22 PM

Raji and Dorsey are not remotely the same, it is believed Raji can play over the nose in the 3-4 where Dorsey can't.

This team is switching to the 3-4 the most important position in that defense is the nose tackle.

milkman · 03-01-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Raji = Dorsey. Is the need greater?

Oh Jesus!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-01-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Again with the condescension... and you guys wonder why you are called names and treated like assholes.... because your behavior warrants it!

Note the bolded part, now note the thread title.

Raji -v- Monroe is a valid argument, but on the merits of the player & his value at #3 & to the team, not on your opinion of a position's value within the draft.

How many of our #1s have we spent on DT?

Raji = Dorsey. Is the need greater?

God ****.

When you tell people the same thing over and over, it gets old.

Just study draft history for 30 minutes. You'll see that there is no value in 1st round lineman to the right of the left tackle.

Read up on football strategy for another 30 minutes. You'll realize that 1 gap penetrators, like Dorsey, are completely different players from 2 gap space eating NTs, like Raji.

It's just frustrating when people come in here with completely uneducated takes and act like they know what a team should do when it's not based in any form of reality.

I mean, you don't even know the difference between the roles of linebackers in a 3-4. I can't remember if it was you or not, but someone made the claim that you could teach any linebacker to be a pass rusher.

Just study up on this shit for a little bit. It's neither hard nor time consuming.

Chiefnj2 · 03-01-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

God ****.

When you tell people the same thing over and over, it gets old.

Just study draft history for 30 minutes. You'll see that there is no value in 1st round lineman to the right of the left tackle.

Read up on football strategy for another 30 minutes. You'll realize that 1 gap penetrators, like Dorsey, are completely different players from 2 gap space eating NTs, like Raji.

It's just frustrating when people come in here with completely uneducated takes and act like they know what a team should do when it's not based in any form of reality.

I mean, you don't even know the difference between the roles of linebackers in a 3-4. I can't remember if it was you or not, but someone made the claim that you could teach any linebacker to be a pass rusher.

Just study up on this shit for a little bit. It's neither hard nor time consuming.

Arizona took a RT with the #5 pick, didn't they?

HC_Chief · 03-01-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Arizona took a RT with the #5 pick, didn't they?

NO! Study the draft, asshole!

Mecca · 03-01-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Arizona took a RT with the #5 pick, didn't they?

Yea and he was suppose to be an LT and he's a giant disappointment so not really a good example.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-01-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Arizona took a RT with the #5 pick, didn't they?

Yeah, and if they would have taken Adrian Peterson, rather than reaching for a stiff, they would have won the Super Bowl.

Great argument.

Mecca · 03-01-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, and if they would have taken Adrian Peterson, rather than reaching for a stiff, they would have won the Super Bowl.

Great argument.

I still remember on this very forum going "they should go Peterson here" and they took Brown and my response was something like "****ing reeruns"

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-01-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea and he was suppose to be an LT and he's a giant disappointment so not really a good example.

This is what I love about this place.

One dumbass makes a stupid comment.

Another dumbass comes in to back him up.

Dumbass #1 thinks he's vindicated.

Dumbassery spreads.

Mecca · 03-01-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is what I love about this place.

One dumbass makes a stupid comment.

Another dumbass comes in to back him up.

Dumbass #1 thinks he's vindicated.

Dumbassery spreads.

You mean like, "hey any LB can be taught to pass rush."

That one hurt my brain.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Raji and Dorsey are not remotely the same, it is believed Raji can play over the nose in the 3-4 where Dorsey can't. This team is switching to the 3-4 the most important position in that defense is the nose tackle.
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