If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Again, how does Albert's "value diminish" in a move to RT? He is not a "natural LT"; he played multiple positions in college. Why do you think he would be incapable of playing RT?

He did pretty well last year at LT. If he stays there, great... but I have little doubt he would do just as well at the right tackle position, allowing KC to draft a LT and bookend their OL for a decade.

The caveat is they are stuck at #3. Drop down, and forget drafting the LT; go LB or DE/OLB.

CAN YOU NOT ****ING READ?

This was about how Dorsey's value diminishes as DT as a result of a scheme change.

Albert's value as a LT does not diminish as a result of a scheme change, so he isn't moved to another position.

This has nothing to do with wether he has value as a RT.

This only has to do with his position not being affected as the result of a scheme change.

But teh fact is, if you insist on talking about moving him to RT, his value does diminish because a RT is not as valuable as a LT.

[milkman]

Oh, and the fact is that Albert is a natural LT, who just happened to play guard in college because Al Groh didn't believe that Monroe had the athleticism and versatility that Albert possessed to man the guard position in his offense.

But Albert has all the naturaal tools you look for in a LT.

Big, strong, athletic, huge wingspan and "Dancer's feet".

There isn't a single LT in this draft that has all the natural physical tools at LT that Albert has.

[HC_Chief]

Originally Posted by milkman

CAN YOU NOT ****ING READ?

This was about how Dorsey's value diminishes as DT as a result of a scheme change.

Albert's value as a LT does not diminish as a result of a scheme change, so he isn't moved to another position.

This has nothing to do with wether he has value as a RT.

This only has to do with his position not being affected as the result of a scheme change.

But teh fact is, if you insist on talking about moving him to RT, his value does diminish because a RT is not as valuable as a LT.

That's because the discussion has been about what we do if we're stuck at #3. Looking at the talent available and the positional needs, Monroe is the BPA who fits a need.

People have argued for Raji, and with sound logic, but it does EXACTLY what you're railing on: makes Dorsey a wasted #5 overall. Maybe he can play DE in a 3-4, maybe not. Chances are he becomes a backup/has no role at all and becomes trade fodder (good luck getting much value there when you consider where we took him).

You HAVE insinuated Albert's value is diminished.... when you talk about how RT is not as valuable. I disagree with that assessment! Our OL is in SERIOUS need at RT. If we are stuck at #3, cannot trade out, and don't wish to waste Dorsey, it is not inconceivable we draft Monroe and move Albert.

If we can trade down, all bets are off. Forget Monroe... the dude will be gone anyway, and we have many more needs. We can pick up a RT in later rounds.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Again, how does Albert's "value diminish" in a move to RT? He is not a "natural LT"; he played multiple positions in college. Why do you think he would be incapable of playing RT?

He did pretty well last year at LT. If he stays there, great... but I have little doubt he would do just as well at the right tackle position, allowing KC to draft a LT and bookend their OL for a decade.

The caveat is they are stuck at #3. Drop down, and forget drafting the LT; go LB or DE/OLB.

Because it's common knowledge that you put your best lineman at left tackle and you put a much lower-grade linemen on the right side. The left tackle has to have extremely quick feet because defenses always put their most explosive pass rusher on the blind side of the quarterback. That's why guys like Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf, Walter Jones, etc... are the ones who get the limelight and they all play left tackle. NO TEAM will put their best tackle on the right side. None. That's why teams use very high draft picks consistently on left tackles, but most tackles that grade out as right tackles at best always end up going around the late first at best.

It requires an entirely different skill set. Right tackles don't have to be outstanding because they usually have a tight end lined up next to them to provide them help. The left tackle, on the other hand, is almost always put on an island and has to go one-on-one with a pass rusher. And because they usually square up against the defense's second-best pass rusher, they usually don't have to be that quick. Most defenses will put up a bigger pass rusher against a RT because they know the DE will have to chip against both a RT and a TE. The point being that a player as talented as Albert would be wasted in a RT role because that's a position that usually gets a lot of help from the TEs and usually lines up against inferior pass rushers anyway. In a guard role, it's even a bigger waste of his talents because guards simply are not as important as tackles.

[HC_Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because it's common knowledge that you put your best lineman at left tackle and you put a much lower-grade linemen on the right side. The left tackle has to have extremely quick feet because defenses always put their most explosive pass rusher on the blind side of the quarterback. That's why guys like Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf, Walter Jones, etc... are the ones who get the limelight and they all play left tackle. NO TEAM will put their best tackle on the right side. None. That's why teams use very high draft picks consistently on left tackles, but most tackles that grade out as right tackles at best always end up going around the late first at best.

It requires an entirely different skill set. Right tackles don't have to be outstanding because they usually have a tight end lined up next to them to provide them help. The left tackle, on the other hand, is almost always put on an island and has to go one-on-one with a pass rusher. And because they usually square up against the defense's second-best pass rusher, they usually don't have to be that quick. Most defenses will put up a bigger pass rusher against a RT because they know the DE will have to chip against both a RT and a TE. The point being that a player as talented as Albert would be wasted in a RT role because that's a position that usually gets a lot of help from the TEs and usually lines up against inferior pass rushers anyway. In a guard role, it's even a bigger waste of his talents because guards simply are not as important as tackles.

Bolded is the key. If our scouts do not believe Monroe would be a BETTER LT than Albert, whom we already know can play well at many positions along the line, then no worries, right? Monroe would not even be in consideration at #3.

How do they rate Monroe -v- Albert? We'll find outif we are stuck at #3.