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booger · 03-01-2009, 03:36 PM

Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:04:25 -0800

Pat Moran, of Scout.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for Kansas City Chiefs OG Brian Waters, according to source.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

unothadeal · 03-01-2009, 03:47 PM

http://buf.scout.com/2/843380.html

Bills interested in Chiefs guard

Brian Waters (Getty Images)
By Pat Moran
Scout.com writer
Posted Mar 1, 2009

BFR's Pat Moran has the lowdown on a possible trade looming. The Bills might not be finished upgrading their offensive line. Disgruntled guard Brian Waters could be Buffalo-bound. Read this Buffalo Football Report exclusive inside...

The Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for disgruntled Kansas City Chiefs guard Brian Waters, according to a trusted source.

The Bills, in the market for a new left guard after releasing Derrick Dockery on Thursday, could be looking to land the four-time Pro Bowler for a deal similar to the Marcus Stroud trade last year, when they gave up third and fifth round draft picks.

Waters has become disenchanted with the additions to the Chiefs organization. According to Kansas City Star writer Jason Whitlock, Waters asked for his release after new general manager Scott Pioli said he had no interest in meeting him. Whitlock said that Waters was “offended and shocked.”

Also according to the report, several Arizona Cardinals, including Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald, gave new head coach Todd Haley less than glowing reviews. Haley was called “condescending and ignored by veterans.”

While Waters is 32 years of age and the Chiefs offensive line struggled mightily, there is little doubt about his ability to perform. He would be an instant upgrade over Dockery and could give Buffalo one of the finer left sides of the offensive line in the NFL alongside Jason Peters.

The Bills would likely have to give Waters a new deal. He’s in the fourth year of a six year, $26.5 million deal and has made no bones about declaring himself underpaid.

While an interest in a Waters trade hasn’t been made public, a source inside the organization tells me the Bills are “very much interested in him.”

Pioli refused to honor his request to be released and weren’t open to trading him. But that could change after the Chiefs lost a second-round pick in acquiring Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots. By trading the displeased Waters, the club could recoup draft picks as well as not have their new franchise quarterback hampered with an offensive line that includes an exceedingly unhappy left guard.

Stay tuned right here for more details as they come available.

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 03:47 PM

Because they're too old to help us when we will be good, whereas a draft pick will not.

Make sense?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

It'd have to be a #2 for me to even entertain the discussion.

Not me.

I'd take a 4th or even a 5th.

This draft is so deep with offensive lineman, plus, Herb Taylor's just waiting to be the starting left guard.

RedThat · 03-01-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

We have a decent QB coming in now, so why not send our best reciever and our best O linemen to another team? Yeah, that makes sense.

I can see what you're trying to say here, however, if he's not a happycamper and doesn't want to be here as some reports indicate, what else can you really do?

Fritz88 · 03-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

I'd say a 2nd sounds reasonable.

I'd say that is a little too much for Waters.

Maybe a 3rd.

seaofred · 03-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Tony G. and Waters for their 2nd and 3rd would be great. Then if we can find a way to get rid of LJ, we wouldn't have anymore of the spoiled babies on our team. We then could build a team.... Not just have some Pro Bowlers.

shammus · 03-01-2009, 03:53 PM

A couple things I don't like about this -

1. It further depletes an already struggling line. If I remember correctly, this is Herb Taylor's natural position so he could step in, but Waters is a probowler so this would be a downgrade. We already need a new C, RG and RT.

2. Most of the quality Olinemen available in free agency are now off the market. There's still Khalif Barnes if we need a RT but very few others. That means, we'd be heading into the draft with four holes on our offensive line.

3. Waters is a leader on that line (not to mention the entire team) and certainly not doing Brandon Alberts any harm as a mentor.

Hopefully his comments were made when he was still upset over what happened. So perhaps this all blows over when he calms down. I know Haley/Pioli were planning on "reaching out" to Larry Johnson. I can't imagine they'd be so quick to part with Waters.

Micjones · 03-01-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not me.

I'd take a 4th or even a 5th.

This draft is so deep with offensive lineman, plus, Herb Taylor's just waiting to be the starting left guard.

Seriously? You'd take a 5th Round draft pick for your best offensive lineman who just went to a Pro Bowl and probably has at least 3 more years of productive football left in him?

munkey · 03-01-2009, 03:58 PM

Buh-bye Waters....Nice knowing ya.

He just wants more money and does not want to start over/rebuild/compete for his job.

AND YES...he SHOULD be competing for his job after this little tampontrum.

FAX · 03-01-2009, 04:00 PM

After just watching Pioli trade our 2nd for both Cassel and Vrabel, some peeps think it's possible that we'll trade Waters for a 5?

Now I know why the Israelites built that golden calf thing while Moses' back was turned.

FAX

Micjones · 03-01-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaofred

Tony G. and Waters for their 2nd and 3rd would be great. Then if we can find a way to get rid of LJ, we wouldn't have anymore of the spoiled babies on our team. We then could build a team.... Not just have some Pro Bowlers.

#2 (acquired in trade) Darrius Heyward-Bey
#3 (Chiefs pick) Eric Wood
#3 (acquired in trade) Lawrence Sidbury or Chase Coffman or Jonathan Luigs

Where do I sign?

el borracho · 03-01-2009, 04:03 PM

Well, that would allow us to slide Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs in this draft.

soundmind · 03-01-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBull

I can see what you're trying to say here, however, if he's not a happycamper and doesn't want to be here as some reports indicate, what else can you really do?

Package him with LJ somewhere so they actually have some kind of value combined...

All our vets are whiny, coddled players. We have Carl, Herm and Vermeil to thank for that, our players have been conditioned to think that the organization is concerned about their feelings, and that they have a say in how football operations will evolve....such is simply not the case anymore.

Enjoy your new homes gentleman, this team is busy building a winner and doesn't have time for your self-pity.

Micjones · 03-01-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

Well, that would allow us to slide Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs in this draft.

That'd make for one hell of a left side of the Offensive Line.
Not sure I'd do that, but talk about "protection".

Micjones · 03-01-2009, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundmind

Package him with LJ somewhere so they actually have some kind of value combined...

All our vets are whiny, coddled players. We have Carl, Herm and Vermeil to thank for that, our players have been conditioned to think that the organization is concerned about their feelings, and that they have a say in how football operations will evolve....such is simply not the case anymore.

Enjoy your new homes gentleman, this team is busy building a winner and doesn't have time for your self-pity.

A part of me thinks LJ is the least expendable of the three in the minds of Chiefs brass. Not sure why I feel that way... I just think he's gonna be here when the season opens.

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unothadeal HOF 20?? Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3206120	http://buf.scout.com/2/843380.html Bills interested in Chiefs guard Brian Waters (Getty Images) By Pat Moran Scout.com writer Posted Mar 1, 2009 BFR's Pat Moran has the lowdown on a possible trade looming. The Bills might not be finished upgrading their offensive line. Disgruntled guard Brian Waters could be Buffalo-bound. Read this Buffalo Football Report exclusive inside... The Buffalo Bills are interested in trading for disgruntled Kansas City Chiefs guard Brian Waters, according to a trusted source. The Bills, in the market for a new left guard after releasing Derrick Dockery on Thursday, could be looking to land the four-time Pro Bowler for a deal similar to the Marcus Stroud trade last year, when they gave up third and fifth round draft picks. Waters has become disenchanted with the additions to the Chiefs organization. According to Kansas City Star writer Jason Whitlock, Waters asked for his release after new general manager Scott Pioli said he had no interest in meeting him. Whitlock said that Waters was “offended and shocked.” Also according to the report, several Arizona Cardinals, including Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald, gave new head coach Todd Haley less than glowing reviews. Haley was called “condescending and ignored by veterans.” While Waters is 32 years of age and the Chiefs offensive line struggled mightily, there is little doubt about his ability to perform. He would be an instant upgrade over Dockery and could give Buffalo one of the finer left sides of the offensive line in the NFL alongside Jason Peters. The Bills would likely have to give Waters a new deal. He’s in the fourth year of a six year, $26.5 million deal and has made no bones about declaring himself underpaid. While an interest in a Waters trade hasn’t been made public, a source inside the organization tells me the Bills are “very much interested in him.” Pioli refused to honor his request to be released and weren’t open to trading him. But that could change after the Chiefs lost a second-round pick in acquiring Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots. By trading the displeased Waters, the club could recoup draft picks as well as not have their new franchise quarterback hampered with an offensive line that includes an exceedingly unhappy left guard. Stay tuned right here for more details as they come available.
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bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Because they're too old to help us when we will be good, whereas a draft pick will not. Make sense?
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seaofred Wish I had something clever... Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Trout fishing capital USA Casino cash: $1965333	Tony G. and Waters for their 2nd and 3rd would be great. Then if we can find a way to get rid of LJ, we wouldn't have anymore of the spoiled babies on our team. We then could build a team.... Not just have some Pro Bowlers.
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shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A couple things I don't like about this - 1. It further depletes an already struggling line. If I remember correctly, this is Herb Taylor's natural position so he could step in, but Waters is a probowler so this would be a downgrade. We already need a new C, RG and RT. 2. Most of the quality Olinemen available in free agency are now off the market. There's still Khalif Barnes if we need a RT but very few others. That means, we'd be heading into the draft with four holes on our offensive line. 3. Waters is a leader on that line (not to mention the entire team) and certainly not doing Brandon Alberts any harm as a mentor. Hopefully his comments were made when he was still upset over what happened. So perhaps this all blows over when he calms down. I know Haley/Pioli were planning on "reaching out" to Larry Johnson. I can't imagine they'd be so quick to part with Waters.
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munkey Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bend Oregon Casino cash: $10007596	Buh-bye Waters....Nice knowing ya. He just wants more money and does not want to start over/rebuild/compete for his job. AND YES...he SHOULD be competing for his job after this little tampontrum. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a munkey"
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2499148	Well, that would allow us to slide Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs in this draft.
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