NFL Draft If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do? - Page 15

journeyscarab · 02-28-2009, 11:07 PM

Say the Lions draft Curry, Rams draft Smith....do we take Monroe/Orakpo/or drop a few spots to get someone else?

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 05:53 PM

That's the problem. He has no practice at the most difficult aspect of the position, whereas guys like Everette Brown have been battling left tackles for years and have developed those skills.

tk13 · 03-01-2009, 05:56 PM

I don't disagree that he's a bit raw in that regard. But he's strong, fast, physical, smart, produced in college, and considered a fairly intelligent guy that will be a good leader. Sounds exactly like a Patriots LB to me.

Mr. Krab · 03-01-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

That's the problem. He has no practice at the most difficult aspect of the position, whereas guys like Everette Brown have been battling left tackles for years and have developed those skills.

It's true, but if Curry doesn't become a legit pass rusher he is still by all accounts going to be a very good traditional linebacker. That means he will be taken too high in the draft but not a total loss.

Moderate risk, Very high reward

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 05:57 PM

Oh ya, he's a perfect Patriots ILB. But the pats would never spend the #3 on an ilb.

HC_Chief · 03-01-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

That's the problem. He has no practice at the most difficult aspect of the position, whereas guys like Everette Brown have been battling left tackles for years and have developed those skills.

Yes, but we would definitely need to trade down if we were considering him. At #3 he would be a HUGE reach.

tk13 · 03-01-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Oh ya, he's a perfect Patriots ILB. But the pats would never spend the #3 on an ilb.

I know. But your other option is taking a DT which is also a risky proposition in the top 5, or taking a safer pick on the offensive line, which will cause half the board's brain to explode.

I guess my point is picking a top 5 DT is just about like picking a LB. You don't see it a lot. A lot of good DT's are taken in the 5-15 range, just like rush LB's.

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Yes, but we would definitely need to trade down if we were considering him. At #3 he would be a HUGE reach.

Debatable. You woulda said the same thing last year with the pats taking Mayo at 10, no? He was considered a lower-mid 1st.

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I know. But your other option is taking a DT which is also a risky proposition in the top 5, or taking a safer pick on the offensive line, which will cause half the board's brain to explode.

I guess my point is picking a top 5 DT is just about like picking a LB. You don't see it a lot. A lot of good DT's are taken in the 5-15 range, just like rush LB's.

OL is out of the question

Outside of QB, I don't really see any other positions more worthy of being taken in the top 5 than those 2.

LT, DT/NT, pass rusher are my top positions besides QB. Probably CB, WR next.

Mr. Krab · 03-01-2009, 06:07 PM

Pretty much our choices as they sit now.

Eugene Monroe
B.J. Raji
Aarron Curry
Trade down

tk13 · 03-01-2009, 06:09 PM

I think trading down probably makes the most sense, but we do have to be prepared if that doesn't happen. I wouldn't take a lesser deal just to move down. And a lot of people say we can't take a LB at 3, that's too high. They are probably right. So we should take a DT. Which makes no sense cause that's the same thing. DT's go in the top 5 slightly more often, and most of them have bombed. The last decade of top 5 DT's include guys like Dorsey, Dewayne Robertson, Gerard Warren, Darrell Russell, Dan Wilkinson? Guys like that. That's no better than the group of LB's in the top 5. You have more success with those guys in the 5-15 range... that's where you find guys like Sapp, Henderson, Stroud, Merriman, Ware, etc. Vince Wilfork was taken in the 20's.

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 06:12 PM

I don't know think you can go by that... You just have to trust your scouting department to get the best guy in the class, ya know?

Yes I agree trading down is the best option, but you can't count on that. I don't think anyone i going to want the pick. If it happens great, if not it's either Raji or Brown. Neither one is perfect at this spot, we'll see what happens.

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 06:13 PM

And if all the best players are picked in the 10-15 range WHY would you not want to reach for Brown who is rated by many to be in that range?

HC_Chief · 03-01-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

And if all the best players are picked in the 10-15 range WHY would you not want to reach for Brown who is rated by many to be in that range?

Orakpo would be the choice at #3.

And oh, the waiiilllllinngggggg......

bdeg · 03-01-2009, 06:18 PM

He is terrible. Compare the tapes. Orakpo runs through shitty blocks, Everette Brown sheds them with authority.

Cornstock · 03-01-2009, 06:18 PM

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03-01-2009, 05:53 PM	#211
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	That's the problem. He has no practice at the most difficult aspect of the position, whereas guys like Everette Brown have been battling left tackles for years and have developed those skills.
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03-01-2009, 05:56 PM	#212
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1957500	I don't disagree that he's a bit raw in that regard. But he's strong, fast, physical, smart, produced in college, and considered a fairly intelligent guy that will be a good leader. Sounds exactly like a Patriots LB to me.
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03-01-2009, 05:57 PM	#214
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Oh ya, he's a perfect Patriots ILB. But the pats would never spend the #3 on an ilb.
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Mr. Krab Big Red Nuts Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	Pretty much our choices as they sit now. Eugene Monroe B.J. Raji Aarron Curry Trade down
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03-01-2009, 06:09 PM	#220
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1957500	I think trading down probably makes the most sense, but we do have to be prepared if that doesn't happen. I wouldn't take a lesser deal just to move down. And a lot of people say we can't take a LB at 3, that's too high. They are probably right. So we should take a DT. Which makes no sense cause that's the same thing. DT's go in the top 5 slightly more often, and most of them have bombed. The last decade of top 5 DT's include guys like Dorsey, Dewayne Robertson, Gerard Warren, Darrell Russell, Dan Wilkinson? Guys like that. That's no better than the group of LB's in the top 5. You have more success with those guys in the 5-15 range... that's where you find guys like Sapp, Henderson, Stroud, Merriman, Ware, etc. Vince Wilfork was taken in the 20's.
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03-01-2009, 06:12 PM	#221
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	I don't know think you can go by that... You just have to trust your scouting department to get the best guy in the class, ya know? Yes I agree trading down is the best option, but you can't count on that. I don't think anyone i going to want the pick. If it happens great, if not it's either Raji or Brown. Neither one is perfect at this spot, we'll see what happens.
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03-01-2009, 06:13 PM	#222
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	And if all the best players are picked in the 10-15 range WHY would you not want to reach for Brown who is rated by many to be in that range?
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03-01-2009, 06:18 PM	#224
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	He is terrible. Compare the tapes. Orakpo runs through shitty blocks, Everette Brown sheds them with authority.
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03-01-2009, 06:18 PM	#225
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