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**Tribal Warfare** · 03-01-2009, 08:37 PM

Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel?

The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England.

And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

Let’s see if we can weave all this together.

Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder.

But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker.

There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation.

As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal.

That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation.

Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos.

Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks.

If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague.

If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.

**KcMizzou** · 03-02-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I think and reserve judgement until he plays a year without Moss and Welker before I annoint him the next Thigpen...

DaWolf · 03-02-2009, 12:13 AM

While there seem to be lots of comparisons out there to Derek Anderson and Scott Mitchell, one thing is at least encouraging to me. In both Mitchell and Anderson's case, before they got their big contracts, and subsequently, they were never 60% passers. Cassel did complete 63.4% of his passes. So if a guy can at least be accurate, and not turn the ball over, he's got a good shot at success. Whether Cassel can turn into the next Tom Brady or the next Kurt Warner, or whether he'll just be adequate, or whether he'll be a disaster, we'll see. But if Pioli's history is any proof, while he may not use the #3 pick on a QB, he's probably going to be looking for QB's somewhere in the draft every year to bring in and compete for a spot, so if Cassel doesn't end up being the starter for the next ten years, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else we draft is in a few years...

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Like you, I wanted a QB at any cost. I never thought it was feasable to get a proven one (albeit just one season) for a 2nd. I'm eccstatic about the deal, and in keeping our #3, we can address one of the many other holes we already had. And with a franchise type player to boot. I can't believe the uproar this has caused. This might be the best deal ever struck by any Chiefs FO.

Bono and Grbac were pretty sweet deals.... Are the Pats going to become the 49ers of the 90's for the Chiefs?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-02-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

While there seem to be lots of comparisons out there to Derek Anderson and Scott Mitchell, one thing is at least encouraging to me. In both Mitchell and Anderson's case, before they got their big contracts, and subsequently, they were never 60% passers. Cassel did complete 63.4% of his passes. So if a guy can at least be accurate, and not turn the ball over, he's got a good shot at success. Whether Cassel can turn into the next Tom Brady or the next Kurt Warner, or whether he'll just be adequate, or whether he'll be a disaster, we'll see. But if Pioli's history is any proof, while he may not use the #3 pick on a QB, he's probably going to be looking for QB's somewhere in the draft every year to bring in and compete for a spot, so if Cassel doesn't end up being the starter for the next ten years, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else we draft is in a few years...

Absolutely. "Revolving Roster". Chiefs fans are used to watching guys who have passed their prime and usefulness stick around for whatever reasons.

You can kiss THAT shit goodbye. This is a 'bidness', now baby!

And I like it.

**KcMizzou** · 03-02-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Bono and Grbac were pretty sweet deals.... Are the Pats going to become the 49ers of the 90's for the Chiefs?

That's what shaneo69 says....

It's ****ing hopeless. It's all a huge fraud.

He's a negative bastard, I tell ya.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-02-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Bono and Grbac were pretty sweet deals.... Are the Pats going to become the 49ers of the 90's for the Chiefs?

Obligatory Vomit; has to be done.

**KcMizzou** · 03-02-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Obligatory Vomit; has to be done.

If Reerun goes all Whitlock on Pioli...

He'll be a complete joke.

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Obligatory Vomit; has to be done.

We thought we were making trades of a lifetime then...

Hammock Parties · 03-02-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Bono and Grbac were pretty sweet deals.... Are the Pats going to become the 49ers of the 90's for the Chiefs?

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

TRY AND YOU'LL SUCCEED

NEVER DOUBT THAT YOU'RE THE ONE

AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DREEAAAAAAAAAAAM!

YOU'RE THE BEST!

AROUUUUUUUUUUUUND!

NOTHING'S GONNA EVER KEEP YA DOWN!

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

If Reerun goes all Whitlock on Pioli...

He'll be a complete joke.

Whitlock is a complete joke, Where did I say anything about Pioli?

**KcMizzou** · 03-02-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Whitlock is a complete joke, Where did I say anything about Pioli?

You had your crusades vs. Herm... and you were right.

I was just saying that if you start up against Pioli/Haley now... it's just because you need a target.... like Whitlock.

For material.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-02-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Carl thought we were slaves for a lifetime then...

Sorry, that's just how it reads to me...

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

You had your crusades vs. Herm... and you were right.

I was just saying that if you start up against Pioli/Haley now... it's just because you need a target.... like Whitlock.

For material.

I have a target and its not Pioli or Haley....

Right now my target is Crying Waters...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-02-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I have a target and its not Pioli or Haley....

Right now my target is Crying Waters...

Oh yeah; those radio interviews became just as nauseating as "Hermon's Sermon".

**KcMizzou** · 03-02-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I have a target and its not Pioli or Haley....

Right now my target is Crying Waters...

Oh, fair enough.

03-01-2009, 08:37 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3067187	Gretz: Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz \| Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel? The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England. And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots. Let’s see if we can weave all this together. Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder. But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker. There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation. As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal. That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation. Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos. Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks. If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague. If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	While there seem to be lots of comparisons out there to Derek Anderson and Scott Mitchell, one thing is at least encouraging to me. In both Mitchell and Anderson's case, before they got their big contracts, and subsequently, they were never 60% passers. Cassel did complete 63.4% of his passes. So if a guy can at least be accurate, and not turn the ball over, he's got a good shot at success. Whether Cassel can turn into the next Tom Brady or the next Kurt Warner, or whether he'll just be adequate, or whether he'll be a disaster, we'll see. But if Pioli's history is any proof, while he may not use the #3 pick on a QB, he's probably going to be looking for QB's somewhere in the draft every year to bring in and compete for a spot, so if Cassel doesn't end up being the starter for the next ten years, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else we draft is in a few years...
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