Chiefs A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 08:22 AM

Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4.

Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well.

Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT.

Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT.

Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in.

I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right.

DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays.

Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page.

The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine.

Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO.

I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up.

I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10.

He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick.

Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:01 AM

You'll never convince him man, he's spending an entire thread saying Hali is a playmaker and is fluid.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I want Aaron Curry.

But there is no way he solidifies anything.

The Chiefs still need a NT, they still need another outside LB, and they still need another DE like Igor.

They do need another OLB, because Vrabel is on his last legs. They will need a DE because Boone has only a couple of years left.

As far as NT, they don't have the prototypical guy on the roster, BUT, teams often have to play without prototypical guys at ever position. And, I think Tank and Dorsey will be fine there.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:03 AM

Dorsey is not a nose and Hali is not a OLB those are just facts.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Serious? After he said the defense could be possible top 10 I thought he was trying for funniest post of the year. I mean this is a joke right?

Nope. No joke. Two years ago, the Chiefs were in the top half of the league with less talent.

I know they had Jared Allen, and he was a great player. And, no player on the Chiefs defense is that kind of stud.

But, I think the 3-4 fits the players pretty well and Curry, IMO is the next Ray Lewis. So, yeah, I think top 10 is possible.

But, I think top 15 is likely.

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

They do need another OLB, because Vrabel is on his last legs. They will need a DE because Boone has only a couple of years left.

As far as NT, they don't have the prototypical guy on the roster, BUT, teams often have to play without prototypical guys at ever position. And, I think Tank and Dorsey will be fine there.

Boone has a couple of years left doing what? Being a mediocre rotational player?

If Dorsey lines up as the NT in a 3-4, it's going to look like a midget tossing contest.

MOhillbilly · 03-02-2009, 09:06 AM

A flat footed DE at OLB? Interesting, you may be onto something SensibleChiefsfan, keep up the good work.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:06 AM

Teams with no pass rushers always do awesome!

This team needs a nose and 2 OLB pass rushers 3 of the most important things for a 3-4 so where is this um personnel?

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Teams with no pass rushers always do awesome!

This team needs a nose and 2 OLB pass rushers 3 of the most important things for a 3-4 so where is this um personnel?

Herm's going to ride back into town on his white horse, assume the currently unfilled DC position, and fix this D once and for all.

Right, Sensible? Let Herm see this thing through?

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm's going to ride back into town on his white horse, assume the currently unfilled DC position, and fix this D once and for all.

Right, Sensible? Let Herm see this thing through?

That would end with Todd Haley killing him on the sideline, oh shit bring him back I'd pay to see that.

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That would end with Todd Haley killing him on the sideline, oh shit bring him back I'd pay to see that.

After how Haley bitch slapped Waters in the hallway, I would have paid to hear how Herm's "interview" with Pioli went.

So, it says here that you've won 2 games. Uh, huh. Yeah. Well, uh, it still says 2 games here. 85 percent, uhhhhhhh huhhhhh. Yeah. And when will this 85 percent actually, you know, win?

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Dorsey is not a nose and Hali is not a OLB those are just facts.

I love your 'facts'.

Do I think Dorsey was the prototypical NT last year? No.

However, he has not had an offseason to bulk up to play the NT in the 3-4. I also saw him occupy two blockers quite a bit last season, which is the job of the NT.

I think he will be far better than you give him credit for. That is IF the Chiefs want to leave him as a full time NT, which I am not sure is the best use of his talents.

I think he will swing inside and outside.

As far as Hali goes, lets see how your 'facts' about him stack up come december.

Demonpenz · 03-02-2009, 09:15 AM

hali is going to be an excellent rush backer, teams are going to be overwhellemed by his power, speed, instincts, and moves.

MOhillbilly · 03-02-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

As far as Hali goes, lets see how your 'facts' about him stack up come december.

Fact- Hali is so flat footed he sticks to the shower floor.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:18 AM

I really thought there were just things that were acknowledged as common knowledge, I think Sensible is the only person on this forum that would think Hali can play in the 3-4...

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm's going to ride back into town on his white horse, assume the currently unfilled DC position, and fix this D once and for all.

Right, Sensible? Let Herm see this thing through?

Herm has never been a DC, and I don't think he would make a very good one.

03-02-2009, 08:22 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4. Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well. Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT. Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT. Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in. I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right. DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays. Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page. The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine. Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO. I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up. I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10. He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick. Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	Teams with no pass rushers always do awesome! This team needs a nose and 2 OLB pass rushers 3 of the most important things for a 3-4 so where is this um personnel?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	I really thought there were just things that were acknowledged as common knowledge, I think Sensible is the only person on this forum that would think Hali can play in the 3-4...
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