Chiefs A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. - Page 6

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 08:22 AM

Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4.

Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well.

Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT.

Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT.

Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in.

I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right.

DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays.

Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page.

The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine.

Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO.

I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up.

I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10.

He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick.

Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....

BigChiefFan · 03-02-2009, 10:25 AM

My goodness, we aren't one friggin inside LBer away. I've been saying it for months, but Raji is the pick.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Lauranitis could play in a 3-4 too. He's not nearly the player Curry is, but for value, trading back and taking one of those guys makes alot more sense.

I think he's way to finesse to be a 3-4 guy, JL to me is a cover 2 style player.

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He thinks all the Chiefs players are really talented apparently...it's pretty funny.

If you put Ron Edwards at nose in a 3-4 he is going to get killed and your ILBs are going to get flat backed.

I honestly have to think about what would constitute a worse front 3 than Boone, Edwards, and McBride.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

That would be a reason to take Curry. Plus, if he is that kind of player then he could handle playing ILB or OLB.

Tell me what 3-4 OLB played OLB in college....they're DE/LB tweeners that would have been ends in 4-3s.

Aaron Curry is not that.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So the same crop of dog shit is going to be miraculously transformed in the 3-4? Are you kidding?

These guys are not without talent.

Seriously, it takes putting these guys in the right positions to win.

The Chiefs had a glut of DT's last year. Boone, Edwards, Dorsey, and Tank are all viable starters on most teams. Turk McBride fits a 3-4 DE best or a 4-3 under tackle.

Boone and McBride are natural fits at DE in the 3-4.

And, Dorsey is a better option than guys who merely look at the measurables will ever understand.

Chief Faithful · 03-02-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And here we go again when a guy finishes his 4 year college career with 9 sacks he's not a pass rusher.

Anyone who says without a doubt he can rush the passer is at best being dishonest.

All right answer me this, how does a LB get a sack while dropping back in coverage? Did you miss how he is known as a coverage LB? The guy was not asked to rush the QB in college.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:29 AM

Ron Edwards a viable starter on most teams lol...

If these guys were nearly as good as you are saying they are this defense would not be this bad.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

All right answer me this, how does a LB get a sack while dropping back in coverage? Did you miss how he is known as a coverage LB? The guy was not asked to rush the QB in college.

Which means he doesn't rush the passer right? Rushing the passer is something you can't just teach someone to do, if it was a premier pass rusher wouldn't be valued like he's gold...think about that.

BigChiefFan · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

These guys are not without talent.

Seriously, it takes putting these guys in the right positions to win.

The Chiefs had a glut of DT's last year. Boone, Edwards, Dorsey, and Tank are all viable starters on most teams. Turk McBride fits a 3-4 DE best or a 4-3 under tackle.

Boone and McBride are natural fits at DE in the 3-4.

And, Dorsey is a better option than guys who merely look at the measurables will ever understand.

Yea, so much talent that we got carved up on the ground every week.

eazyb81 · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

All right answer me this, how does a LB get a sack while dropping back in coverage? Did you miss how he is known as
a coverage LB? The guy was not asked to rush the QB in college.

Until someone gives an example of a player that played LB in college and successfully made the transition to 3-4 OLB, the point is moot.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Your concept of how to build a defense is so completely different than mine, you are expecting guys to just do things they aren't suited to do, that'll be fun.

No.... your concept of what guys are suited to do is the problem.

But, what do I expect, you told everyone that Sanchez was going to be great at the combine throwing because physical tools were never the issue.

htismaqe · 03-02-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think he's way to finesse to be a 3-4 guy, JL to me is a cover 2 style player.

He's got the range you look for in a 3-4 ILB. What he doesn't have is the killer instinct, at least not this past season.

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

These guys are not without talent.

Seriously, it takes putting these guys in the right positions to win.

The Chiefs had a glut of DT's last year. Boone, Edwards, Dorsey, and Tank are all viable starters on most teams. Turk McBride fits a 3-4 DE best or a 4-3 under tackle.

Boone and McBride are natural fits at DE in the 3-4.

And, Dorsey is a better option than guys who merely look at the measurables will ever understand.

Dorsey aside, the rest of that list is made up of rotational players at best. Those guys wouldn't and won't anchor a top 10 unit.

There is a supreme lack of overall talent on this roster. 10 sacks, 2 wins, multiple 300 yard rushing games of the opposition. However you want to measure, it's not good.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Until someone gives an example of a player that played LB in college and successfully made the transition to 3-4 OLB, the point is moot.

Donnie Edwards played OLB in the 3-4, just off the top of my head. He played ILB and OLB in the 3-4, as well as MLB and OLB in the 4-3.

But, for the record, I do not want Curry playing OLB in the 3-4.

ChiefsCountry · 03-02-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The problem is that we have the #3 overall pick. I've said it before, we picked the wrong year to go 2-14.

I think it was fine but the Chiefs pulled a typical Chiefs move and now the #3 pick is pretty much worthless now.

03-02-2009, 08:22 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4. Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well. Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT. Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT. Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in. I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right. DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays. Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page. The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine. Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO. I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up. I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10. He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick. Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....
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