Chiefs FA: What's Left?

htismaqe · 03-09-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

lol what do you want them to do? If its get after the QB they sure didn't do that. If it's to dominate the line they sure didn't do that.

Do you understand line play at all?

Dorsey was being asked to play two-gaps, occupy blockers, and free up the LB's. He was asked to do something that is COUNTER-INTUITIVE to rushing the passer.

HE CAN'T DO THAT. Every single one of his scouting reports coming out said he's not good at it. Yet the coaches asked him to do it anyway.

That does not in any way mean he SUCKS. It means he's not good at doing what the coaches asked him to do.

Titty Meat · 03-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do you understand line play at all?

Dorsey was being asked to play two-gaps, occupy blockers, and free up the LB's. He was asked to do something that is COUNTER-INTUITIVE to rushing the passer.

HE CAN'T DO THAT. Every single one of his scouting reports coming out said he's not good at it. Yet the coaches asked him to do it anyway.

That does not in any way mean he SUCKS. It means he's not good at doing what the coaches asked him to do.

When I say they D-line sucks I'm not talking about Dorsey he's only played 1 season but the others do indeed suck.

htismaqe · 03-09-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

When I say they D-line sucks I'm not talking about Dorsey he's only played 1 season but the others do indeed suck.

Again, no they don't. They MAY suck, but until you have a complete picture you simply can't judge.

Hali had a good first year - led the team in sacks, 4th in the league in forced fumbles. He's regressed since then. Does he suck? Did he only do well because of Jared Allen? How would he play next to better DT play? You and I don't know the answers to these, so we can't say whether or not he sucks.

McBride was a 3T defensive tackle in college. As soon as the Chiefs drafted him, they moved him to DE. Pretty much all of the scouting reports said that was a bad idea, but the Chiefs did it anyway. Does McBride suck at DE because he sucks? Or does he suck at DE because he's a actually a DT that the stupid coaches won't play in his proper position? Again, to many unanswered questions that prevent a simple judgement from being made.

And if you didn't intend to include Dorsey you should have said that, if not in the beginning, at least after he was mentioned by name in responses to you and you still insisted that the entire line sucked.

beach tribe · 03-09-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Again, no they don't. They MAY suck, but until you have a complete picture you simply can't judge.

Hali had a good first year - led the team in sacks, 4th in the league in forced fumbles. He's regressed since then. Does he suck? Did he only do well because of Jared Allen? How would he play next to better DT play? You and I don't know the answers to these, so we can't say whether or not he sucks.

McBride was a 3T defensive tackle in college. As soon as the Chiefs drafted him, they moved him to DE. Pretty much all of the scouting reports said that was a bad idea, but the Chiefs did it anyway. Does McBride suck at DE because he sucks? Or does he suck at DE because he's a actually a DT that the stupid coaches won't play in his proper position? Again, to many unanswered questions that prevent a simple judgement from being made.

And if you didn't intend to include Dorsey you should have said that, if not in the beginning, at least after he was mentioned by name in responses to you and you still insisted that the entire line sucked.

Like I've said before, I'm gonna reserve judgment on a lot of these guys until I see how the new regime uses them, and what they can get out of them.
I cannot fuqing believe Krummy is still around.

htismaqe · 03-09-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Like I've said before, I'm gonna reserve judgment on a lot of these guys until I see how the new regime uses them, and what they can get out of them.

The fact that our coaching was horrible is undeniable and widely-known.

There's so many guys on this defense being asked to do things that scouts SAID they're not good at, it's hard to just say they all suck. In the end, all of them MAY indeed suck, but doing so now, before they've ever played a game under the new regime seem silly.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I cannot fuqing believe Krummy is still around.

What's funny is that on the surface it would seem that Pioli disagrees with BOTH billay AND me. Because he's kept the players AND their coach.

Who knows.

Ebolapox · 03-09-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The fact that our coaching was horrible is undeniable and widely-known.

There's so many guys on this defense being asked to do things that scouts SAID they're not good at, it's hard to just say they all suck. In the end, all of them MAY indeed suck, but doing so now, before they've ever played a game under the new regime seem silly.

What's funny is that on the surface it would seem that Pioli disagrees with BOTH billay AND me. Because he's kept the players AND their coach.

Who knows.

this board isn't the same without htis's football input.

beach tribe · 03-09-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The fact that our coaching was horrible is undeniable and widely-known.

There's so many guys on this defense being asked to do things that scouts SAID they're not good at, it's hard to just say they all suck. In the end, all of them MAY indeed suck, but doing so now, before they've ever played a game under the new regime seem silly.

What's funny is that on the surface it would seem that Pioli disagrees with BOTH billay AND me. Because he's kept the players AND their coach.

Who knows.

Yeah, I'm really scratching my head over the retaining of Krumrie.