Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense? - Page 10

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 08:55 AM

I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode.

First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year.

However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread.

And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense.

For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread.

In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller.

But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen.

Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB?

Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC.

What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time.

I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation.

Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me.

Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-10-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Then you really should pay closer attention at the clinics, or perhaps watch some of the Cards and Patriots film. I don't know which.

I hope your boss isn't reading this thread, because you may have just lost your job.

Sully · 03-10-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Then you really should pay closer attention at the clinics, or perhaps watch some of the Cards and Patriots film. I don't know which.

I hope your boss isn't reading this thread, because you may have just lost your job.

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

ChiefRon · 03-10-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

Smack

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-10-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

WINNER.

whoman69 · 03-10-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The Chiefs were in many ways a spread team from 2001-2005, and they ran the ball fine for the most part (the problem I mentioned earlier in the thread being the exception). Beyond that, some would argue that the types of passes emphasized by spread routes are basically an extension of the running game - short passes geared towards giving receivers a chance at yards after the catch. As we saw a lot, you can also exploit aggresive defensive tendencies by using traps, draws and throwing in screen passes. What you can't do is power run, because you don't have the right personnel on the line (no TE or a pass-catching TE spread wide) and often no FB. And generally, the teams that run it go for athletic linemen over drive blockers, which exacerbates the problem.

In other words, you can run, you just have to go about it a little differently...

I agree with this statement. Its all about exploiting mismatches. Especially with Gonzales the occassional spread play can improve our passing game. Gonzo was spread wide in Saunders' offense too. The biggest problem that we had with Saunders running the show is the offense often tried to get their yards in too big a chunks. I thought too often we went three and out. One of the keys in improving our defense is keeping them off the field by being able to sustain drives.

An NFL offense that can do many things well is going to be successful. The Cardinals last year were not successful when they couldn't run. The Chiefs will be the same.

beach tribe · 03-10-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

LOL.

smittysbar · 03-10-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Nah.
I'm sure my boss would be happy to know that I know more about it than what I found on wikipedia, or some guy's blog.

Spread Rep

htismaqe · 03-11-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

No, but the Cards, Chiefs and Pats ran it as their primary passing offense.

I only watched the Cards in the playoffs because I don't watch FOX football, but they didn't run it as their base passing offense during the playoffs. They were running 3 and 4 WR out, but the offensive linemen weren't in the "spread".

htismaqe · 03-11-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The Chiefs were in many ways a spread team from 2001-2005, and they ran the ball fine for the most part (the problem I mentioned earlier in the thread being the exception). Beyond that, some would argue that the types of passes emphasized by spread routes are basically an extension of the running game - short passes geared towards giving receivers a chance at yards after the catch. As we saw a lot, you can also exploit aggresive defensive tendencies by using traps, draws and throwing in screen passes. What you can't do is power run, because you don't have the right personnel on the line (no TE or a pass-catching TE spread wide) and often no FB. And generally, the teams that run it go for athletic linemen over drive blockers, which exacerbates the problem.

In other words, you can run, you just have to go about it a little differently...

See that's NOT the spread. The linemen weren't at all in a spread formation in the base offense, despite how many WR's were on the field.

htismaqe · 03-11-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The fact that you don't agree about the Pats and Cards demonstrates your ignorance, not mine.

You really haven't given me any evidence or logic for what you think. That is probably because you have none of either on this subject.

It's not ignorance at all.

His definition of the spread offense and yours are completely different. I happen to agree with him.

Chiefnj2 · 03-11-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

See that's NOT the spread. The linemen weren't at all in a spread formation in the base offense, despite how many WR's were on the field.

I think "spread" has been bastardized to mean more than the OL formation.

RustShack · 03-11-2009, 10:17 AM

If you have at least 3 WR's and are in the shotgun people automatically assume its the spread offense

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htismaqe · 03-11-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think "spread" has been bastardized to mean more than the OL formation.

That's been my exact point all along.

keg in kc · 03-11-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

See that's NOT the spread. The linemen weren't at all in a spread formation in the base offense, despite how many WR's were on the field.

That might be why I said "in many ways a spread team" rather than "were a spread team".

I would add that I'd be wary of making sweeping generalizations. Not every iteration of the spread features 3-foot or wider splits and not every iteration has their linemen in two-point stances.

All-in-all, this looks to me like a pretty silly exercise in philosophical masturbation.

03-10-2009, 08:55 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Chiefs sticking with spread offense? I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode. First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year. However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread. And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense. For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread. In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller. But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen. Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB? Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC. What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time. I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation. Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me. Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.
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