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Round 1

1 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins) - Mark Sanchez, QB, University of Southern California
4 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81) - Eugene Monroe, OT, University of Virginia
5 BROWNS (Sfeihc) - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest.
6 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
7 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis) - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
8 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker) - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
9 PACKERS (milkman) - BJ Raji, NT, Boston College
10 49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
11 BILLS (Mecca) - Rey Maualuga, LB, Southern California
12 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State University
13 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan) - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
14 SAINTS (Direckshun) - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
15 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California
16 CHARGERS (Zouk) - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
17 JETS (Archie Bunker) - Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland
18 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
19 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins) - Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
20 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
21 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
22 VIKINGS (Sfeihc) - Alex Mack, C, California
23 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
24 FALCONS (milkman) - Clay Matthews, LB, Southern California
25 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois
26 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP) - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
27 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
28 COLTS (Mecca) - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
29 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
30 TITANS (Zouk) - DJ Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
31 CARDINALS (Eazyb81) - LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
32 STEELERS (Marco Polo) - Eben Britton, OT, Arizona


Round 2


33 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - William Beatty, OT, Connecticut
34 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia
35 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
36 BROWNS (Sfeihc) - Connor Barwin, DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati
37 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81) - Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
38 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina
39 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker) - Max Unger G/C, Oregon
40 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis) - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
41 PACKERS (milkman) - Fenuki Topou, OT, Oregon
42 BILLS (Mecca) - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
43 49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
44 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
45 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Sean Smith, DB, Utah
46 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut
47 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
48 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Ron Brace, DT/NT, Boston College
49 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
50 BROWNS (Sfeihc) - Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
51 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - William Moore, S, Missouri
52 JETS (Archie Bunker) - Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State
53 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Robert Ayers, DE, University of Tennessee
54 VIKINGS (Sfeihc) - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
55 FALCONS (milkman) - Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss
56 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
57 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP) - Darry Beckwith, ILB, LSU
58 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon
59 COLTS (Mecca) - Eric Wood, C, Louisville
60 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
61 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan) - Fili Moala, DT, Southern California
62 TITANS (Zouk) - Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
63 CARDINALS (Eazyb81) - Lawrence Sidbury, OLB, Richmond
64 STEELERS (Marco Polo) - Chris Baker, NT, Hampton



Round 3


65 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
66 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
67 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins) - Cody Brown, OLB, Connecticut
68 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81) - Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
69 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
70 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama
71 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis) - Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
72 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker) - Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
73 PACKERS (milkman) - James Davis, RB, Clemson
74 49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
75 BILLS (Mecca) - Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State
76 JETS (Archie Bunker) - Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
77 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma
78 CHARGERS (Zouk) - Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson
79 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Nate Davis, QB, Ball State
80 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan) - Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State University
81 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins) - Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State
82 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
83 PACKERS (milkman) - Mike Mickens, CB, Cinncinnati
84 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas
85 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois
86 VIKINGS (Sfeihc) - Alex Magee, DT, Purdue
87 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly
88 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP) - Mitch King, DE, Iowa
89 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin
90 FALCONS (milkman) - Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin
91 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
92 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan) - Phillip Hunt, OLB, Houston
93 COLTS (Mecca) - Marcus Freeman OLB, Ohio State
94 TITANS (Zouk) - Sherrod Martin, CB, Troy
95 CARDINALS (Eazyb81) - Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati
96 STEELERS (BigChiefFan) - Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - James Casey, TE, Rice
BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Shonn Greene, RB Iowa
BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - TJ Lang, OT, Eastern Michigan
GIANTS (Direckshun) - Gerald McRath, LB, Southern Miss



Round 4


97 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman
98 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins) - Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn State University
99 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Tyrone McKenzie, OLB, South Florida
100 BROWNS (Sfeihc) - Kory Sheets, RB, Purdue
101 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81) - Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU
102 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
103 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker) - Andre Brown, RB, North Carolina St
104 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis) - Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
105 PACKERS (milkman) - Stryker Sulak, DE/OLB, Missouri
106 BILLS (Mecca) - Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
107 49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
108 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Pat White, QB, West Virginia
109 CHARGERS (Zouk) - Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
110 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB, Texas Tech
111 JETS (Archie Bunker) - Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson
112 SAINTS (Direckshun) - Zack Follett, OLB, California
113 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Houston
114 JETS (Archie Bunker) - Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St
115 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Derrick Pegues, FS, Mississippi State
116 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins) - Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State
117 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Aaron Kelly, WR, Clemson
118 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Asher Allen, CB, Georgia
119 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP) - Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
120 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina
121 FALCONS (milkman) - Jamarca Sanford, SS, Ole Miss
122 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Scott McKillop, LB, Pitt
123 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan) - Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn
124 COLTS (Mecca) - Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan
125 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Daniel Holtzclaw, MLB, Eastern Michigan
126 TITANS (Zouk) - Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska
127 CARDINALS (Eazyb81) - Donald Washington, CB, Ohio State
128 STEELERS (BigChiefFan) - Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU
CHARGERS (Zouk) - Mike Thomas WR, Arizona
CHARGERS (Zouk) - Javon Ringer RB, Michigan St.
TITANS (Zouk) - Jason Williams LB, W. Illinois.
COLTS (Mecca) - Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC



Round 5


129 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame
130 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Cedric Peerman RB Virginia
131 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins) - Cornelius Lewis OG/RT, Tennessee State.
132 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Jason McCourty, CB, Rutgers
133 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - A.Q. Shipley, OG/OC, Penn State
134 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry) - Vance Walker, DT Georgia Tech
135 FALCONS (milkman) - Ra'Shon Harris, DT, Oregon
136 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker) - Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
137 PACKERS (milkman) - Will Johnson, DT/DE, Michigan
138 49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Jason Watkins, OT, Florida
139 BILLS (Mecca) - Chris Clemons, S, Clemson
140 CHARGERS (Zouk) - Alex Fletcher, C, Stanford
141 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23) - Worrell Williams, ILB, California
142 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan) - Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech
143 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Antone Smith, RB, Florida State
144 TEXANS (Marco Polo) - Mark Parson, CB, Ohio
145 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Darcel McBath, FS, Texas Tech
146 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Clinton McDonald, DT,Memphis
147 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins) - Jonathan Casillas, OLB, Wisconsin
148 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State
149 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23) - Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State
150 VIKINGS (Sfeihc) - Joe Burnett, CB, UCF
151 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Mike Goodson, RB, Texas A&M
152 FALCONS (milkman) - Roger Allen, G, Missouri Western St.
153 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis) - Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama
154 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP) -Kevin Ogletree, WR, Virginia
155 COLTS (Mecca) - Arian Foster, RB, Tennessee
156 GIANTS (Direckshun) - Brice McCain,CB, Utah
157 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan) - Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
158 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice
159 CARDINALS (Eazyb81) - Ian Campbell, OLB, Kansas State
160 STEELERS (BigChiefFan) - Austin Collie, WR, BYU
STEELERS (BigChiefFan) - Joel Bell, OT, Furman
PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58) - Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina
49ERS (DaKCMan AP) - Christopher Owens, CB, San Jose State
COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) - Henry Melton, DE/OLB, Texas
TITANS (Zouk) - Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia



Round 6


161 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58) - DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati
162 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins) - Terrance Knighton, DT/DE, Temple
163 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts) - Orion Martin, DE, Virginia Tech
164 BROWNS (Sfeihc) - Sammie Stroughter, WR, Oregon State
165 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81) - Marlon Lucky, RB, Nebraska
166 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
167 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
168 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
169 PACKERS (milkman)
170 BILLS (Mecca)
171 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
172 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
173 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
174 PACKERS (milkman)
175 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
176 CHARGERS (Zouk)
177 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
178 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
179 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
180 JETS (Archie Bunker)
181 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
182 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
183 FALCONS (milkman)
184 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
185 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
186 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
187 GIANTS (Direckshun)
188 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
189 COLTS (Mecca)
190 TITANS (Zouk)
191 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
192 STEELERS (BigChiefFan)
TITANS (Zouk)
PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)



Round 7


193 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
194 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
195 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
196 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
197 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
198 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
199 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
200 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
201 PACKERS (milkman)
202 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
203 BILLS (Mecca)
204 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
205 SAINTS (Direckshun)
206 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
207 CHARGERS (Zouk)
208 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
209 STEELERS (BigChiefFan)
210 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
211 JETS (Archie Bunker)
212 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
213 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
214 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
215 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
216 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
217 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
218 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
219 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
220 COLTS (Mecca)
221 GIANTS (Direckshun)
222 TITANS (Zouk)
223 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
224 STEELERS (BigChiefFan)
TITANS (Zouk)
REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)

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Old 03-14-2009, 06:47 PM   #646
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how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?
If you don't know how NFL personnel moves work, don't post in this thread.

Cassel will be a RFA after next year. Since we own his rights, if we tender him to an offer sheet of 2.65 mil, if another team wants him, they sign him for dirt cheap (2.65), and have to pay a compensation of a 1st and 3rd round pick.

He qualified as a UFA this year because of the CBA, but with its expiration next year, it will revert to a player needing 6 years of experience. He'll have five. Thus, we own his rights, even if he's not signed to a contract.

We won't be desperate to unload him like NE, so we can hold onto him until a team in desperate need of a QB is willing to pay that price (say Minnesota). We get a late first and a late third for Matt Cassel when we paid a second for him, and we have a quarterback with elite upside to replace him who we didn't have to throw to the wolves.

I've said this from day one. I'm sorry if I actually know how personnel moves and FA work in the NFL, I know it must be terribly offensive to run into someone who knows WTF he's talking about.
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1st and 3rd is a lot, not that I'm condoning the pick but I guess you hope it works out kinda like Brees/Rivers. The starter plays well enough to warrant interest, and you see enough from practice that you believe Sanchez is the guy.
In 2007, a second-round tender offer was added. The four tender amounts for 2008 are as follows:[1]
Tender amount Compensation required
$2.562 million First- and third-round
$2.017 million First-round
$1.417 million Second-round
$927,000 Determined by RFA's original draft status (see below)
Each player that signs a tender receives the one-year salary that corresponds to the tender level. Teams which choose not to match an offer on a player with a low tender receive a draft pick corresponding to the round in which the player was originally drafted (except that the highest pick that can be surrendered for such a tender is a second-round pick). For example, a player who was originally drafted in the sixth round of the NFL Draft would force the team signing him to give his former team a sixth-round pick in the upcoming draft as compensation for his service. No compensation is required for an undrafted player on the lowest tender amount, so teams with valued undrafted RFAs are taking a notable risk by offering such tenders.
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I know how the tender works, but keep in mind that this year Cassell only brought a 2nd along with Vrabel. If his stock goes up that much in a year or two, which it definitely could, that would be great. I just wasn't making that assumption; say he does pretty good, we make the highest tender offer, and then trade him for a low first. Of course he would have to agree to negotiate a contract with the team making the trade, too.

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If you don't know how NFL personnel moves work, don't post in this thread.

Cassel will be a RFA after next year. Since we own his rights, if we tender him to an offer sheet of 2.65 mil, if another team wants him, they sign him for dirt cheap (2.65), and have to pay a compensation of a 1st and 3rd round pick.

He qualified as a UFA this year because of the CBA, but with its expiration next year, it will revert to a player needing 6 years of experience. He'll have five. Thus, we own his rights, even if he's not signed to a contract.
You couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Cassel will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT next year. Period.

"1. Unrestricted: In a capped year, a player with four or more accrued seasons has unrestricted free agency rights. Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA). An unrestricted free agent may sign with any team. If the unrestricted free agent is not signed by June 1, his old club may offer him a contract with a 10% raise over his prior year's salary, and thereby obtain the exclusive right to re-sign him after July 15 if he has not signed elsewhere by then."

Let me repeat that since you ignored it when I posted about this weeks ago:

Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA).

Who's my source? Only the NFLPA. Argue with them.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/templ...d=0&type=l#a14 . That's the NFLPA Members FAQ.


... or maybe you're right. Your confusion is actually understandable. The NFLPA seems to argue with themselves on this:

“Players must earn a certain number of Accrued Seasons prior to becoming a UFA,” said NFLPA Director of Salary Cap & Agent Administration Mark Levin.

A player whose contract expires at the beginning of a capped year (2008 and 2009), for instance, needs to have four Accrued Seasons to be a UFA, while a player whose contract expires at the beginning of the uncapped year (2010) must have six accrued seasons to gain free agency. Players earn an Accrued Season for any season in which they are on full pay status for at least six regular season games.

A player who has earned three Accrued Seasons and whose contract expires in a capped year is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA) provided that his club has given him a proper RFA tender. “In 2010, a player will be a RFA if he has earned three, four or five Accrued Seasons,” Levin explained.


http://www.nflplayers.com/user/conte...d=443&pid=1340

This Levin was wrong, though. He's spread misinformation that's probably been repeated by reporters et al. See my post below for a link to the actual CBA if you want to see for yourself.

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If the Chiefs want to keep Cassel next year, they either resign him now, or they Franchise Tag him again at a minimum of $17 million (guaranteed) next year.
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So if it comes down to it, tag and trade just like we did with Jared.

Wow, 17 mil is a lot. They'll probably have a deal in place before the season though.
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So if it comes down to it, tag and trade just like we did with Jared.

Wow, 17 mil is a lot. They'll probably have a deal in place before the season though.
Note my edit above. The NFLPA seems a little confused. I'm downloading a pdf of the CBA right now to check it out.

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Got it. Mark Levin was talking out of his ass mistaken. It's five accrued seasons for UFA in an uncapped year like the Player's FAQ says.

You can download it here: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/templ...2&pid=0&type=l

It's an old-fashioned pdf (i.e. photographs) so it's unsearchable, but the relevant sections are on pages 56-58, and 237.

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You couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Cassel will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT next year. Period.

"1. Unrestricted: In a capped year, a player with four or more accrued seasons has unrestricted free agency rights. Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA). An unrestricted free agent may sign with any team. If the unrestricted free agent is not signed by June 1, his old club may offer him a contract with a 10% raise over his prior year's salary, and thereby obtain the exclusive right to re-sign him after July 15 if he has not signed elsewhere by then."

Let me repeat that since you ignored it when I posted about this weeks ago:

Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA).

Who's my source? Only the NFLPA. Argue with them.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/templ...d=0&type=l#a14 . That's the NFLPA Members FAQ.


... or maybe you're right. Your confusion is actually understandable. The NFLPA seems to argue with themselves on this:

“Players must earn a certain number of Accrued Seasons prior to becoming a UFA,” said NFLPA Director of Salary Cap & Agent Administration Mark Levin.

A player whose contract expires at the beginning of a capped year (2008 and 2009), for instance, needs to have four Accrued Seasons to be a UFA, while a player whose contract expires at the beginning of the uncapped year (2010) must have six accrued seasons to gain free agency. Players earn an Accrued Season for any season in which they are on full pay status for at least six regular season games.

A player who has earned three Accrued Seasons and whose contract expires in a capped year is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA) provided that his club has given him a proper RFA tender. “In 2010, a player will be a RFA if he has earned three, four or five Accrued Seasons,” Levin explained.


http://www.nflplayers.com/user/conte...d=443&pid=1340

This Levin was wrong, though. He's spread misinformation that's probably been repeated by reporters et al. See my post below for a link to the actual CBA if you want to see for yourself.
And Cassel will have five years after 2009, and according to Mike Lombardi, former General Manger, here, and here, you're completely incorrect.
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hat determines an unrestricted free agent in the Final League Year (2010)? In capped seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent if he has four or more accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any club with no compensation owed to his old club.



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...882000BB6A4D15


What determines whether a player is a restricted free agent in the "Final League Year?"
In capped seasons, a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three, four or five accrued seasons. The rights of restricted free agents remain unchanged in the Final League Year.
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Another source, proving that you are overdosing on fail:

hat determines an unrestricted free agent in the Final League Year (2010)? In capped seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent if he has four or more accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any club with no compensation owed to his old club.



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...882000BB6A4D15


What determines whether a player is a restricted free agent in the "Final League Year?"
In capped seasons, a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three, four or five accrued seasons. The rights of restricted free agents remain unchanged in the Final League Year.
Read the ****ing CBA.

I already posted a link for the pdf. And as I mentioned, that pdf consists of PHOTOGRAPHS of the actual paper document - no data entry errors!

You can also see it in html form here: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/templ...pid=539&type=c

Article XIX:
VETERAN FREE AGENCY

Section 1. Unrestricted Free Agents:
(a) Subject to the provisions of Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year, shall, at the expiration of his Player Contract, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player
Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, subject to the signing period set forth below.




p.s. That Cowboys link is the same FAQ that's been circulated by the league. I already read it on CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836 and I'm sure you can find it many other places if you want to. It's probably to blame for so many people talking about "six accrued years" for UFA - but it's wrong. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SAYS FIVE YEARS.

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And speaking of confusion, here's Adam Schefter. He's conflating both the six year idea and the 10% raise idea.
With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.
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Read the ****ing CBA.

I already posted a link for the pdf. And as I mentioned, that pdf consists of PHOTOGRAPHS of the actual paper document - no data entry errors!

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Article XIX:
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Section 1. Unrestricted Free Agents:
(a) Subject to the provisions of Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year, shall, at the expiration of his Player Contract, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player
Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, subject to the signing period set forth below.




p.s. That Cowboys link is the same FAQ that's been circulated by the league. I already read it on CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836 and I'm sure you can find it many other places if you want to. It's probably to blame for so many people talking about "six accrued years" for UFA - but it's wrong. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SAYS FIVE YEARS.
In ANY CAPPED YEAR. 2010 is not a capped year, genious.

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Upon further review, Schefter probably has it right.

The operative provision is this one in the attached picture.

Since 2009 is a capped year and is the year before the "Final League Year," players with five accrued years will not be UFAs, but they will be treated as players with 4 accrued years under Article XIX, Sections 2-4.

The portion of Article XIX that applies to salaries states:

(ii) For Restricted Free Agents with four Accrued Seasons (in Uncapped Years):
(1) Right of First Refusal: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least $771,600 for the 2006 League Year, $925,000 for the 2007 League Year, $1,002,000 for the 2008 League Year, $1,085,000 for the 2009 League Year, $1,176,000 for the 2010 League Year, $1,275,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $1,383,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable; (but see F below)

(2) Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at Player’s Original Draft Round: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) the amount set forth in Subsection (b)(ii)(1) above; or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged (this Subsection is subject to the rules of Subsection (c) below);

(3) Right of First Refusal and One Second Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,375,000 in the 2007 League Year, $1,492,000 in the 2008 League Year, $1,620,000 in the 2009 League Year, $1,759,000 in the 2010 League Year, $1,910,000 in the 2011 League Year, or $2,075,000 in the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged

(4) Right of First Refusal and One First Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,673,000 for the 2006 League Year, $1,975,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,142,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,323,000 for the 2009 League Year, $2,521,000 for the 2010 League Year, $2,736,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $2,971,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged; and

(5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $2,196,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,475,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,687,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,917,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,168,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,442,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,741,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged.

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(f) A Restricted Free Agent shall have the option of accepting a one year NFL Player Contract for 110% of his Prior Year Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged) in lieu of a Player Contract for the applicable alternative amount specified in this paragraph, if he so wishes, regardless of which Player Contract is for a greater amount.



As Schefter reports, it all comes back to $17 million (current salary times 110%) to keep Cassel.
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