Movies and TV Jon Stewart vs. Jim Cramer - Page 9

**KcMizzou** · 03-11-2009, 06:15 PM

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:02 AM

Did you watch when Cramer went on his show? Those clips Stewart kept calling up

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:03 AM

"you can create a story or a negative perception" something like that, I'd have to watch it again

then he defends himself saying no i wouldn't do that, i was trying to expose what they do, mentioned trading futures

next clip, "noone will tell you you can do this but me, its legal because the (some abreviation) doesn't know about it but i wouldn't say it on tv

Silock · 03-25-2009, 12:05 AM

Where's the proof that he's doing that? All I see is speculation with no inherent motivation or hard evidence to back it up.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Where's the proof that he's doing that? All I see is speculation with no inherent motivation or hard evidence to back it up.

ok, ok, I didn't know he didn't own stocks, or his "rules"

He presents information handed down to him, do you trust that that information is unbiased?

Silock · 03-25-2009, 12:11 AM

He doesn't present information "handed down" to him. The information is out there for ANYONE to see. It has to be by law.

And if you take anyone "at their word" about anything involving your own money, you're playing with fire. You HAVE to do your own research, and that's one thing Cramer hammers on constantly, even on the stocks he recommends. He wants people to make their own decisions and do their own research.

The gov't has rules that prevent the backroom dealings that were so prevalent in the 80s and 90s. All info is out there for anyone to see, not just Wall Street pros.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:12 AM

The information is out there, and he puts his spin on it. I'm glad you don't trust the spin.

Silock · 03-25-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

The information is out there, and he puts his spin on it. I'm glad you don't trust the spin.

Name anyone that doesn't put his spin on it.

I mean, it's not like Jon Stewart would EVER put spin on what Cramer or anyone else says.

Despite the spin, Cramer's picks are generally solid and good investment strategies. I don't agree with all of them, but he picks financially sound companies to recommend and it's hard to go wrong with them.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:19 AM

Did you watch the interview?

How do you explain what he said? That that's all in his past?

Silock · 03-25-2009, 12:42 AM

Yes, and Stewart constantly interrupted Cramer and wouldn't let him get any points in. Plus, the clips were taken out of context. But that's what the Daily Show does.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:46 AM

Cramer sure acted like he got caught with his pants down. Judging his tone he needed to change his tighty whities

Silock · 03-25-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Cramer sure acted like he got caught with his pants down. Judging his tone he needed to change his tighty whities

I think if you'll re-view the show, Stewart was doing an indictment more of CNBC than Jim Cramer. Yeah, Cramer was visibly upset. But IMO, it's because he cares what happens to his viewers' money. Without the viewers, he wouldn't have a show.

But Cramer is bearing the brunt of Stewart's fury. Even Stewart said it was unfortunate.

The clips where Cramer is talking about how hedge funds can screw over investors and manipulate the market is out of context. He wasn't talking about what HE did, but how it is hypothetically done. He tries to expose those guys and their practices on every single show he does. But he's just one guy. And obviously, people in that studio and people like you don't WATCH his show, and don't actually know what he says, yet think they can draw some kind of definitive conclusion about the guy based on one interview and a few cherry-picked clips.

EDIT: I find it incredibly ironic that Stewart and his defenders here are going on endlessly about the network not doing their due diligence, yet are doing the EXACT same thing when it comes to actually watching and listening to what Cramer says.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I think if you'll re-view the show, Stewart was doing an indictment more of CNBC than Jim Cramer. Yeah, Cramer was visibly upset. But IMO, it's because he cares what happens to his viewers' money. Without the viewers, he wouldn't have a show.

But Cramer is bearing the brunt of Stewart's fury. Even Stewart said it was unfortunate.

The clips where Cramer is talking about how hedge funds can screw over investors and manipulate the market is out of context. He wasn't talking about what HE did, but how it is hypothetically done. He tries to expose those guys and their practices on every single show he does. But he's just one guy. And obviously, people in that studio and people like you don't WATCH his show, and don't actually know what he says, yet think they can draw some kind of definitive conclusion about the guy based on one interview and a few cherry-picked clips.

That's what I was looking for

I am now better informed

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 12:58 AM

this is my due diligence, this is a great way to learn about things

just post on here and have someone else explain it to me

I thought I understood it better than I apparently do, but oh well
thanks

I guess I won't bother again til I learn.

Silock · 03-25-2009, 01:32 AM

But, should you take what anyone says here at face value? I would say the answer is a resounding "No."

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 08:13 AM

I guess I realize you know more about it than I do.

I still wouldn't trust Jim Cramer

and you can't convince me this is true: "He wasn't talking about what HE did, but how it is hypothetically done. He tries to expose those guys and their practices on every single show he does."

Maybe that's what he does now, but that tape was encouraging the practice.

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03-25-2009, 12:02 AM	#121
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Did you watch when Cramer went on his show? Those clips Stewart kept calling up
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03-25-2009, 12:03 AM	#122
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	"you can create a story or a negative perception" something like that, I'd have to watch it again then he defends himself saying no i wouldn't do that, i was trying to expose what they do, mentioned trading futures next clip, "noone will tell you you can do this but me, its legal because the (some abreviation) doesn't know about it but i wouldn't say it on tv Last edited by bdeg; 03-25-2009 at 12:11 AM..
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03-25-2009, 12:05 AM	#123
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	Where's the proof that he's doing that? All I see is speculation with no inherent motivation or hard evidence to back it up.
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03-25-2009, 12:11 AM	#125
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	He doesn't present information "handed down" to him. The information is out there for ANYONE to see. It has to be by law. And if you take anyone "at their word" about anything involving your own money, you're playing with fire. You HAVE to do your own research, and that's one thing Cramer hammers on constantly, even on the stocks he recommends. He wants people to make their own decisions and do their own research. The gov't has rules that prevent the backroom dealings that were so prevalent in the 80s and 90s. All info is out there for anyone to see, not just Wall Street pros.
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03-25-2009, 12:12 AM	#126
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	The information is out there, and he puts his spin on it. I'm glad you don't trust the spin.
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03-25-2009, 12:19 AM	#128
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Did you watch the interview? How do you explain what he said? That that's all in his past?
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03-25-2009, 12:42 AM	#129
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	Yes, and Stewart constantly interrupted Cramer and wouldn't let him get any points in. Plus, the clips were taken out of context. But that's what the Daily Show does.
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03-25-2009, 12:46 AM	#130
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Cramer sure acted like he got caught with his pants down. Judging his tone he needed to change his tighty whities
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03-25-2009, 12:58 AM	#133
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	this is my due diligence, this is a great way to learn about things just post on here and have someone else explain it to me I thought I understood it better than I apparently do, but oh well thanks I guess I won't bother again til I learn. Last edited by bdeg; 03-25-2009 at 01:12 AM..
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03-25-2009, 01:32 AM	#134
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03-25-2009, 08:13 AM	#135
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	I guess I realize you know more about it than I do. I still wouldn't trust Jim Cramer and you can't convince me this is true: "He wasn't talking about what HE did, but how it is hypothetically done. He tries to expose those guys and their practices on every single show he does." Maybe that's what he does now, but that tape was encouraging the practice. Last edited by bdeg; 03-25-2009 at 08:24 AM..
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