My new Chiefs Mock - Three weeks to the actual event

[Saccopoo]

Straight draft. No trade down scenarios. Includes a secondary option.

1. Aaron Curry - LB; Wake Forest
- We all know that half this place doesn't think you take this position in the top ten, and half thinks you take the best player available in a position of great need. I'm the later. Chiefs are desperate for decent linebackers, Curry is one, and he also happens to be what most consider to be the best player in this draft.

Option: Eugene Monroe - OT; Virginia

3. Kraig Urbik - OG; Wisconsin
- Could be drafted for either the RG or RT spot. Either way, he'd give the Chiefs a massive, ill-tempered road grader on the right side of the line.

Option: Cody Brown - LB; Connecticut

4. Henry Melton - DE; Texas
- A project in the mold of, say, Connor Barwin in that he's only been playing the DE for two seasons, but is athletic and has size.

Option: Fenuki Tupou - OL; Oregon

5. Austin Collie - WR; BYU
- Big, runs great routes, makes acrobatic catches, smart, is fast/quick on the field and runs well after the catch. Isn't afraid to mix it up physically. I hate BYU, but this guy is the real deal.

Option: Clinton McDonald - DT; Memphis

6. Louie Sakoda - K/P; Utah
- Funny to see that with two first day picks in Paul Kruger and Sean Smith on the roster as well as qb Brian Johnson, that King Louie was the BMOC in Salt Lake City. Helped the Utes win a number of games that they shouldn't have won, and is the coolest guy under pressure I've ever seen kicking the ball. Is an All-American at both kicking and punting and can fill two roster spots. Makes everything from 50 and in. Smart, calm, cool and collected. Chiefs have had a problem with kickers recently, and a good kicker wins you some games that you might otherwise lose. (See Jason Elam in '07.)

Option: Rulon Davis - DE; California

7. Mortty Ivy - LB; West Virginia
- Not fast, but incredibly instinctive and makes plays all over the field. Just seems to be where the ball is on every play.

Option: Javarris Williams - RB; Tennessee State

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by philfree

I guess they could have but they could also not have hardly any impact at all.





Yeah right.



I am not on the Curry or bust train but I've read so many stements like these two in regards to Curry that it makes my head spin. These statements are based on absolutely nothing. "He just doesn't make big plays"? Gimmie a break man.




PhilFree

LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Come clean and tell me how many Wake Forest games you actually watched.

Because he doesn't make alot of big plays. He made ALOT more big plays his 2nd-to-last season than he did this past year.

He's a solid player who hardly ever makes a mistake. But he's also a guy who bats it down instead of trying to make the pick at the expense of giving up a big play. He'll wrap up and make a tackle rather than try to jar the ball loose if he thinks it means he might give up a big play. He's a very conservative player and that's a fact.

I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What's an impact play? If he takes good angles and wraps up his player and is consistent, isn't that better than a guy who goes for the kill and misses 30% of the time but forces a few fumbles during the course of the year?

6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

I've said it before that I've watched video of the guy. It's easy to see why he is considered by so many to be the best player in the draft. But the statement made was "he just doesn't make big plays". That statement just isn't accurate. I guess you would have to define big play but I'm pretty sure returning an INT for a TD is a big play. A tackle for a loss? Is that a big play? To me it seems like peoples idea of a big play is a triple crown and that's it. Sack, fumble and recover it for a TD. People around here are so convinced that a LB who isn't just a pass rusher can have no serious impact and it's not true. I'm all for a trade down but the reason people don't want to draft Curry are twisted IMO.


PhilFree

Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

6 of one, one half dozen of the other.

I think a guy that misses 30% of the time but forces a fumble 30% of the time is slightly more valuable than a guy who misses 5% of the time but forces a fumble 5% of the time.

Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nobody forces fumbles 30% of the time.

And nobody misses tackles 5% of the time.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by RustShack

LOL and its quotes like this that make me think the Curry lovers have never watched a game of his. Hell watch his highlight video, his highlights are like regular plays for most other guys.

So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

The NFL loves conservative, play-not-to-lose strategies. They have for years.

It's not amazing at all. It's COMMONPLACE. See Jake Long.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Again, you need to separate "don't want to draft Curry" from "don't want to draft Curry with the #3 overall pick".

Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

So an OLB from Wake Forest that doesn't rush the passer and only makes regular plays somehow ends up being the top 1 or 2 players on every draft board? Amazing.

Weak year, safe pick. I'm not saying he isn't talented, but talent doesn't always make you a great player. His style of play is just too conservative. Averaging one TD a year doesn't really make him a big impact guy, neither does tackles for loss. Hell DJ lead the NFL in tackles for loss not long ago and I would hardly call him a great player.

[RustShack]

I would like to add I'm not against drafting Curry, I would love to have a talented and consistent tackler. But I think you can find lesser talented players later in the draft who can make close to the same impact...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

Fair enough. You would be glad to trade down and then pick Curry and that'd be cool.


PhilFree

ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

ABSOLUTELY.

I thought I had made that clear. I'd be VERY cool with taking Curry in the 8-10 range, if he would last that long.

Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

Yeah, I'm willing to throw his ranking out the window. He played at Texas.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Orakpo is the next general consensus choice if you want a defensive player that can rush the QB.

Hes the pick you want if your asking for a bust.