OK lets see it

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-07-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

And that's different then reaching for a player because his position is considered more valuable even though he isn't good enough to be picked that high? Eh---yeah he sucks but the position he plays holds a high value so he's our pick.

PhilFree

I'm not sure how many times this has to be said...

You have NO IDEA what Pioli's draft board looks like. How are you determining who would be a "reach?"

Oh yeah, piggybacking off of Kiper or Mayock.

For all you know, Pioli has Rey Maualuga rated higher than Jesus Curry.

philfree · 04-07-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure how many times this has to be said...

You have NO IDEA what Pioli's draft board looks like. How are you determining who would be a "reach?"

Oh yeah, piggybacking off of Kiper or Mayock.

For all you know, Pioli has Rey Maualuga rated higher than Jesus Curry.

I believe the same applies to you so what's your point. Pioli & Co. could also have Curry rated as the top player on their board for all you know.

PhilFree

RustShack · 04-07-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I believe the same applies to you so what's your point. Pioli & Co. could also have Curry rated as the top player on their board for all you know.

PhilFree

Yeah a position that wasn't highly regarded by Pioli in NE and usually filled by Veterans is #1 on Pioli's list, thats a safe assumption.

philfree · 04-07-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Yeah a position that wasn't highly regarded by Pioli in NE and usually filled by Veterans is #1 on Pioli's list, thats a safe assumption.

I'm not assuming anything.

PhilFree

htismaqe · 04-07-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I believe the same applies to you so what's your point. Pioli & Co. could also have Curry rated as the top player on their board for all you know.

PhilFree

Of course, none of us have EVER said that the Chiefs WILL take Sanchez, or anybody else for that matter.

The same can't be said for the people on the Curry side of the argument.

philfree · 04-07-2009, 02:02 PM

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Of course, none of us have EVER said that the Chiefs WILL take Sanchez, or anybody else for that matter.

The same can't be said for the people on the Curry side of the argument.

That should probably read "some of the people on the Curry side of the argument. I have no idea who the Chiefs will pick.

PhilFree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-07-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course, none of us have EVER said that the Chiefs WILL take Sanchez, or anybody else for that matter.

The same can't be said for the people on the Curry side of the argument.

Exactly.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-07-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I believe the same applies to you so what's your point. Pioli & Co. could also have Curry rated as the top player on their board for all you know.

PhilFree

No, Phil - it doesn't apply to me.

I'm not the one spouting off all over this board that the Chiefs HAVE to take a particular player.

I'm also not the one that is incapable of watching games and forming my own opinion.

Everyone wants to turn this into Curry v. Sanchez, when in all reality, the Curry backers are the only folks who see it this way.

To them, it's Curry or nothing.

To the Sanchez backers, they'll be thrilled if we take him, but will also accept other players. Curry just doesn't happen to be one of those players, and it chaps the ass of you guys that think Curry walks on ****ing water.

philfree · 04-07-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, Phil - it doesn't apply to me.

I'm not the one spouting off all over this board that the Chiefs HAVE to take a particular player.

I'm also not the one that is incapable of watching games and forming my own opinion.

Everyone wants to turn this into Curry v. Sanchez, when in all reality, the Curry backers are the only folks who see it this way.

To them, it's Curry or nothing.

To the Sanchez backers, they'll be thrilled if we take him, but will also accept other players. Curry just doesn't happen to be one of those players, and it chaps the ass of you guys that think Curry walks on ****ing water.

Obviuosly you haven't comprehended everything I've posted on the subject. I have no problem taking Curry or Sanchez or any other player who is worth our pick but the arguments against Curry are not very sound IMO so I've refuted them. Got it?

PhilFree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-07-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Obviuosly you haven't comprehended everything I've posted on the subject. I have no problem taking Curry or Sanchez or any other player who is worth our pick but the arguments against Curry are not very sound IMO so I've refuted them. Got it?

PhilFree

The arguments against Curry aren't sound?

You mean THESE arguments?

There has been ONE MLB/ILB taken in the Top 3 in the past TWENTY years, and he was a monumental bust?

There is no value at the #3 slot for a LB that would have to learn how to rush the passer?

He won't have the impact of a player like Patrick Willis, who was taken 11th overall in a bad class, Brian Urlacher who was taken 9th in a bad class, or Ray Lewis who was taken 26th, the 4th LB taken in his class?

MLB is one ofthe least important positions on the front 7?

Should I go on?

RustShack · 04-07-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The arguments against Curry aren't sound?

You mean THESE arguments?

There has been ONE MBL/ILB taken in the Top 3 in the past TWENTY years, and he was a monumental bust?

There is no value at the #3 slot for a LB that would have to learn how to rush the passer?

He won't have the impact of a player like Patrick Willis, who was taken 11th overall in a bad class, Brian Urlacher who was taken 9th in a bad class, or Ray Lewis who was taken 26th, the 4th LB taken in his class?

MLB is one ofthe least important positions on the front 7?

Should I go on?

I can't believe how draft stupid some people are... Its OK when they know they don't know, but its sad when they think they know.

philfree · 04-07-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I can't believe how draft stupid some people are... Its OK when they know they don't know, but its sad when they think they know.

There's the genious again. Don't fall off your pedestal you might burst your bubble.

PhilFree

philfree · 04-07-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The arguments against Curry aren't sound?

You mean THESE arguments?

There has been ONE MLB/ILB taken in the Top 3 in the past TWENTY years, and he was a monumental bust?

There is no value at the #3 slot for a LB that would have to learn how to rush the passer?

He won't have the impact of a player like Patrick Willis, who was taken 11th overall in a bad class, Brian Urlacher who was taken 9th in a bad class, or Ray Lewis who was taken 26th, the 4th LB taken in his class?

MLB is one ofthe least important positions on the front 7?

Should I go on?

Those things have nothing to do with the players available in the 2009 draft. We can only pick from the players available and the ones who play the positions of greater value aren't that good. Except Stafford, Sanchez and a couple OTs. And you don't know what impact Curry will have period so that line of argumentation is just a bunch of BS. And there's no value at #3 for Curry? LOL There's a whole lot of people who make their living working the draft who think other wise.

PhilFree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-07-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Those things have nothing to do with the players available in the 2009 draft. We can only pick from the players available and the ones who play the positions of greater value aren't that good. Except Stafford, Sanchez and a couple OTs. And you don't know what impact Curry will have period so that line of argumentation is just a bunch of BS. And there's no value at #3 for Curry? LOL There's a whole lot of people who make their living working the draft who think other wise.

PhilFree

Wow, way to "refute" those arguments.

htismaqe · 04-07-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Those things have nothing to do with the players available in the 2009 draft.

What?

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Originally Posted by philfree

There's a whole lot of people who make their living working the draft who think other wise.

You do realize that many of the draftniks with Curry in their Top 5 start their analysis with "This really isn't good value for an ILB, but..."?