On ESPN now is a draft special.. - Page 4

Mecca · 04-07-2009, 06:01 PM

Schlereth is going to explain why Curry isn't worth a top 10 pick is one of the teasers..

RustShack · 04-08-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Doesn't a 3-4 OLB still play in coverage quite a bit? I am asking because I admit I don't know.

Not as much, but its not nearly as hard to learn to drop back and cover a TE as it is to learn how to rush the passer.

htismaqe · 04-08-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Doesn't a 3-4 OLB still play in coverage quite a bit? I am asking because I admit I don't know.

It depends on the defense. Some do and some don't.

Besides, there's so much zone blitz in football nowadays, most DE's coming out of college have had to cover their fair share of passes.

**dirk digler** · 04-08-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Not as much, but its not nearly as hard to learn to drop back and cover a TE as it is to learn how to rush the passer.

Ok but by your definition then they would be a project because you will have to teach them.

I think personally it would be easier to teach a player how to rush a passer then it would be to play in coverage.

**dirk digler** · 04-08-2009, 10:18 AM

My example would be DT or Merriman. Those guys can rush the passer but couldn't\can't cover worth a shit.

RustShack · 04-08-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Ok but by your definition then they would be a project because you will have to teach them.

I think personally it would be easier to teach a player how to rush a passer then it would be to play in coverage.

Your probably one of the very few to think that.

DrRyan · 04-08-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sanchez started a full season in college.

Curry hasn't started ONE GAME at the position most people want him to play.

There's no comparison at all.

Very nice try with the spin there. Shall we bring up the history of underclassmen with one year of college starting experience. Like I said in the first post in this thread, if we cannot trade down and the Chiefs have a QB as the BPA then, you take him. If not, you don't.

Please spare me the Sanchez is not a project rhetoric though. He is a project that has started 16 games in college.

RustShack · 04-08-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

My example would be DT or Merriman. Those guys can rush the passer but couldn't\can't cover worth a shit.

3-4 DE's are drafting for their pass rushing ability, not coverage. If your a coverage LB your a ILB.

RustShack · 04-08-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Very nice try with the spin there. Shall we bring up the history of underclassmen with one year of college starting experience. Like I said in the first post in this thread, if we cannot trade down and the Chiefs have a QB as the BPA then, you take him. If not, you don't.

Please spare me the Sanchez is not a project rhetoric though. He is a project that has started 16 games in college.

Sure bring it in, but make sure you leave out the spread QB's. Oh wait, there isn't a list anymore after that is there?

crazycoffey · 04-08-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

You don't understand the concept of a raw prospect and someone thats ready for the Pro's do you?

I understand completely, do you understand that coaches and talent evaluators are looking these kids over to see if they have the skill to do what they want them to do at the next level?

I can't really say that curry could be a pass rusher, but I guess I'm just not as educated/studied/experienced as you, mecca, htis, or pioli....

BTW-I have no freakin idea who we take, and I can see the reasons why curry is viewed as a risk. As I stated in my first post of this thread, I just don't like the "he's never done that before" arguement. It's not conclusive enough for me. that's all.

crazycoffey · 04-08-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Not as much, but its not nearly as hard to learn to drop back and cover a TE as it is to learn how to rush the passer.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Ok but by your definition then they would be a project because you will have to teach them.

I think personally it would be easier to teach a player how to rush a passer then it would be to play in coverage.

exactly

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Your probably one of the very few to think that.

what, in here?
guess I am too then. I'd say it would have to depend on the skill set of the player/prospect we are talking about.

But, then again, there has been talk about hali moving to a 3-4 OLB, but there were several arguements against it, based on how hard it would be to teach him coverage.

This place cracks me up sometimes....

kcbubb · 04-08-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The thing is Curry isn't an elite player.

It's typical NFL conservatism at work. Marty Schottenheimer-ismos.

Everybody, universally, says Curry is a solid player - which basically means he's not spectacular. The scouts aren't enamored with what he DOES, they're enamored with what he DOESN'T do, which is make mistakes.

It's the epitome of the play-not-to-lose mentality that's infested the NFL.

not true. they are enamored with his athletic ability, his playmaking ability, his character, his leadership and his ability to help a struggling team win games. Wake Forest was a much better team with Curry.

DrRyan · 04-08-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Sure bring it in, but make sure you leave out the spread QB's. Oh wait, there isn't a list anymore after that is there?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean? Bring what in? Spread QBs, WTF are you talking about?

We are talking about Sanchez and him being a project, and you retort with talk of bring "it" in and spread QBs. Please elaborate...

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-08-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

not true. they are enamored with his athletic ability, his playmaking ability, his character, his leadership and his ability to help a struggling team win games. Wake Forest was a much better team with Curry.

"They" meaning whom? The talking heads? In an interview this week, Mayock said that the value in this draft is at the bottom of the first round because there isn't any elite talent in this draft.

That's something I've been saying since January.

1. "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

**dirk digler** · 04-08-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

3-4 DE's are drafting for their pass rushing ability, not coverage. If your a coverage LB your a ILB.

Well according to the Packers they are going to move Aaron Kampman to OLB in their new 3-4 scheme and they said that position has to be able to cover good.

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Kampman Switching To 3-4 OLB

From Packers.com:

With an almost entirely new defensive coaching staff, the coaches on that side of the ball are evaluating the team’s existing personnel to see where players fit in the new system. Head Coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday that defensive end Aaron Kampman will line up at outside linebacker in the base defense. Though it is too early to say who else will be playing there for the Packers in ‘09, Greene does know what will be required of them.

“They have to rush like big defensive ends against big offensive tackles, which are 6-6, 330, and so forth,” Greene said. “Obviously they get picked up by a running back every once in a while, but it’s a rare occasion when a running back will try to block an outside backer in the 3-4.

“An outside backer in a 3-4 has to play the run hard from the point of attack, and there are so many different blocking schemes that offenses try to get them on the perimeter. And an outside backer has to be able to cover. He’s got to be able to drop.

milkman · 04-08-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

exactly

what, in here?
guess I am too then. I'd say it would have to depend on the skill set of the player/prospect we are talking about.

But, then again, there has been talk about hali moving to a 3-4 OLB, but there were several arguements against it, based on how hard it would be to teach him coverage.

This place cracks me up sometimes....

I don't know about that whole "Hali can't learn to cover" argument, though I would think that he lacks the sthleticism needed to cover.

However, the biggest argument against movin Hali to OLB in a 3-4 is that he doesn't have the speed and athleticism to rush the passer as a stand up LB.

The only thing that Hali brings is a quick initial burst, which is effective agaisnt the lesser (generally) athletic RTs (as opposed to LTs).

Beyond that, he's virtually useless.

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