On ESPN now is a draft special..

[Mecca]

Schlereth is going to explain why Curry isn't worth a top 10 pick is one of the teasers..

[philfree]

Originally Posted by milkman

No. I haven't seen anything that says he can't do it.

But neither have I seen anything that guarantees that he can, and that is what I'm debating.

As Parker said, you don't take what is essentially a project at #3.

If you take a player at #3 for a specific skillset, in this case pass rush, you have to have strong evidence that he has the neccessary skills to succeed.

You simply do not have that with Curry.

In this case i'd take Curry for more then a single skill set and IMO he's not as much of a project as some would make him out to be. And then compared to what else is available he's not a bad pick by no means. Getting to the point where there's two players I take at #3 and that's Stafford or Curry.


PhilFree

[milkman]

Originally Posted by philfree

In this case i'd take Curry for more then a single skill set and IMO he's not as much of a project as some would make him out to be. And then compared to what else is available he's not a bad pick by no means. Getting to the point where there's two players I take at #3 and that's Stafford or Curry.


PhilFree

I'd rather take Mark Sanchez or BJ Raji.

I'd rather risk taking a player with a question mark or two who has greater potential for impact than play it "safe" and select a player who essentially plays a plug in position.

That's what it comes down to really.

You can take the Marty approach to the draft and draft not to lose.

I'm going all in.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd rather take Mark Sanchez or BJ Raji.

I'd rather risk taking a player with a question mark or two who has greater potential for impact than play it "safe" and select a player who essentially plays a plug in position.

That's what it comes down to really.

You can take the Marty approach to the draft and draft not to lose.

I'm going all in.

I'd take Raji before Sanchez. There is just to much evidence that points to Sanchez being a bust. 16 games and coming out early just doesn't work out in the NFL. It could but if it's up to me I'm not risking my #3 pick on it. DTs have a pretty high bust rate too when drafted that high. As far as drafting to not lose is concerned to me drafting and putting the best players on the field is drafting to win. But you can spin it any way you like.

PhilFree

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by bdeg

Normally I agree, Curry goes closer to 10, but outside of the top 4(which don't fit), there isn't much if any elite talent. Curry might be the only real elite player left.

Why is he elite? He seems good in fact solid but elite?

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd rather take Mark Sanchez or BJ Raji.

I'd rather risk taking a player with a question mark or two who has greater potential for impact than play it "safe" and select a player who essentially plays a plug in position.

That's what it comes down to really.

You can take the Marty approach to the draft and draft not to lose.

I'm going all in.

From what I've read in this thread, Curry isn't "safe" either. If a team drafts him and thinks he can rush the QB, that is certainly far from "safe." So, since it is a risk and there is good potential there, now are you on board with that?

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's absolutely ZERO comparison between Russell and Sanchez.

Russell is a monster physical specimen with a rocket arm and questions about his work ethic and aptitude.

Sanchez has a superior work ethic and aptitude with questions about his height and arm strength.

Give me a break.

he didn't ask for comparisons. he asked for QBs who have flopped that came out early that didn't play in the spread.

[bdeg]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why is he elite? He seems good in fact solid but elite?

as elite as a 4-3 lb can be... what could he have done better given his assignments in college? I suppose that's all you can really ask, besides a few things like intensity, forcing fumbles etc.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by doomy3

From what I've read in this thread, Curry isn't "safe" either. If a team drafts him and thinks he can rush the QB, that is certainly far from "safe." So, since it is a risk and there is good potential there, now are you on board with that?

that would my approach with Curry. if he plays to his athletic ability he should be able to rush the passer on a limited basis. Curry does have that upside that people who don't want draft him don't recognize. He is safer bc if that doesn't work you can get good value for him by playing him inside, but I think he can play OLB effectively in the 3-4.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by doomy3

From what I've read in this thread, Curry isn't "safe" either. If a team drafts him and thinks he can rush the QB, that is certainly far from "safe." So, since it is a risk and there is good potential there, now are you on board with that?

That's an interesting question, but no.

I don't see him as a pass rusher, so I can't buy into the risk.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why is he elite? He seems good in fact solid but elite?

If not Stafford or an OT then who are these elite players in this draft that should be taken top 5 ahead of Curry?


PhilFree

[The Franchise]

There are no "elite" players in this draft.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

There are no "elite" players in this draft.

there's also no "elite" talent evaluators on this board either.....

[Mecca]

I can not believe that Tamba Hali actually came up in this situation. No one ever listed him as a tweener because he is not fast or athletic.

And anyone who has ever thought he was overly athletic needs their head examined it was one of the biggest arguments against drafting him.

[chiefs1111]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I can not believe that Tamba Hali actually came up in this situation. No one ever listed him as a tweener because he is not fast or athletic.

And anyone who has ever thought he was overly athletic needs their head examined it was one of the biggest arguments against drafting him.

Yeah taking Tamba was one of many bad Herm Edwards picks but it could be worse,we could have drafted Manny Lawson who has a whopping 5.5 sacks in 3 seasons.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I can not believe that Tamba Hali actually came up in this situation. No one ever listed him as a tweener because he is not fast or athletic.

And anyone who has ever thought he was overly athletic needs their head examined it was one of the biggest arguments against drafting him.

he was brought up because of the tweener comparisons needing to learn more skills to be an OLB in a 3-4 and someone like Curry needing to learn skills to be a better prospect too. If you read the thread, without just reading his name, you'd know that. No one said "overly Athletic" about Hali here in this thread. Just about teaching someone coverage skills or rushing skills.

But since it's a topic;

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/...amba_hali.html

athletic and versitility = solid DE

http://www.sportspool.com/football/draft/374.php

Tamba has really came into his own as a senior and is very versatile player with experience at defensive tackle position as well as dropping into coverage

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5527972?print=true

Hali is best when given room to roam. He has an excellent closing burst and the redirection skills to make plays working down the line. He shows very good acceleration when dropping off to level two and showed in 2005 that he greatly improved his pass rush burst and rip-and-swim moves. He is an all-out hustler who can make plays in space on a consistent basis. He gets a quick push off the snap and while he certainly needs to shed better, he comes off the edge with good urgency

kiper, http://community.livejournal.com/gre...rs/417679.html

Is a versatile player who spentmost of his time at PSU at the power-end position (LDE) but also hassome experience dropping into coverage on zone blitzes, as well asmoving inside as a situational interior pass rusher.