Would you trade down with the Bengals for less than face value? - Page 2

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 09:24 AM

The Bengals seem to be targeting an OT. If the Lions go Stafford and the Rams go with Smith, If the Bengals (11 total picks) called and offered their #6 pick worth 1600 points, a 3rd (they have two 3rds), pick #70 worth 240 points, and maybe a 6th (they have two 6ths) pick 179 worth 20 points?

Then at pick #6, I would think more trade down options would be available, as trading up to the #6 spot is not as daunting of a task as moving up to #3.

Except a little less to gain more leverage in the draft so to speak.

jtfris · 04-11-2009, 10:20 PM

**The Bad Guy** · 04-11-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You guys that think like this act as if the Chiefs roster is absolutely loaded with talent.

It's not. It's not even close.

The Chiefs should take the money and run.

Rebuild this shitty ****ing roster.

I'm not acting like anything.

I don't care what this draft looks like on paper, I'm not moving down 14 spots for just a second rounder. No how, no way.

**the Talking Can** · 04-12-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You guys that think like this act as if the Chiefs roster is absolutely loaded with talent.

It's not. It's not even close.

The Chiefs should take the money and run.

Rebuild this shitty ****ing roster.

yeah, let's trade down for less than half of what the pick is worth...awesome

let's be the laughingstock of the nfl

Pioli isn't being paid to be Carl 2....no way in hell he gets bent over in a trade, ever....

keg in kc · 04-12-2009, 04:34 AM

I'd take less to move down this year, yes. How much less depends on what the offers are.

I don't think it's worth it to stay at 3.

**Rausch** · 04-12-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Would you trade down with the Bengals for less than face value?

Yup...

Psyko Tek · 04-12-2009, 08:15 AM

only if they take LJ

htismaqe · 04-12-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd take less to move down this year, yes. How much less depends on what the offers are.

I don't think it's worth it to stay at 3.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 03:10 PM

If I'm moving I at the very very least want a 2 and a 4, I'm prying for 2 and 3 though.

If you have Raji as your guy though that's the team you can trade with and still get him and get the 2nd round pick back.

**Rain Man** · 04-12-2009, 03:14 PM

In the top five picks, the draft value chart shouldn't be anything other than a negotiating tool. It's based on averages, and in any year there can be a big difference in talent among the top five players. If it's looking like a bad year for talent in the top five, then the draft chart is overvaluing those picks. So yeah, trade for less than face value if the talent doesn't fit your needs or desires.

htismaqe · 04-12-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

In the top five picks, the draft value chart shouldn't be anything other than a negotiating tool. It's based on averages, and in any year there can be a big difference in talent among the top five players. If it's looking like a bad year for talent in the top five, then the draft chart is overvaluing those picks. So yeah, trade for less than face value if the talent doesn't fit your needs or desires.

And we already know it doesn't.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-12-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, let's trade down for less than half of what the pick is worth...awesome

let's be the laughingstock of the nfl

Pioli isn't being paid to be Carl 2....no way in hell he gets bent over in a trade, ever....

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'm not acting like anything.

I don't care what this draft looks like on paper, I'm not moving down 14 spots for just a second rounder. No how, no way.

Then the result it that instead of having two players of essentially equal value, you have ONE.

Brilliant.

I really thought both of you guys were smarter than that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-12-2009, 08:56 PM

I'd rather trade for a first rounder next year than a second this year, even though they have equivalent value in the ether.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'd rather trade for a first rounder next year than a second this year, even though they have equivalent value in the ether.

Absolutely 100% agreed.

If we are moving down 14 spots, it better be for a nice future pick - like a first rounder, instead of just one second.

kcbubb · 04-13-2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then the result it that instead of having two players of essentially equal value, you have ONE.

Brilliant.

I really thought both of you guys were smarter than that.

who would you target with your middle first rounder and 2nd rounder?

One problem that I have with that is the second round compensation is much less. You would get a middle round 2nd pick say the 48th pick instead of the 39th.

htismaqe · 04-13-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'd rather trade for a first rounder next year than a second this year, even though they have equivalent value in the ether.

There's no way we're trading out of the #3 spot WITHOUT getting a 1st next year. Hell, I would be surprised if we got a 2nd this year AND a 1st next year.

It's just my opinion, but I don't see alot of scenarios where we don't get a 1st next year.

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