We trade down or RAJI or ORAKPO. - Page 3

googlegoogle · 04-04-2009, 12:08 AM

No Curry.

Too high for a linebacker. Pioli is confident he can get linebackers in the lower rounds.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-11-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, the latest on the supposed failed drug test probably puts Raji back into the top 10, but I think I've eliminated him from my draft board.

Too many question marks.

100% agree.

This team can't whif on this pick, and I think the likelyhood of Raji becoming completely complacent when he gets his money is very high.

Mecca · 04-11-2009, 10:52 PM

There are some people who would never take a DT high because it's a "Lunchbucket" type of position...

But honestly I'm not sure what other option there is, if we have no one to play nose we're just gonna get killed.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-11-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There are some people who would never take a DT high because it's a "Lunchbucket" type of position...

But honestly I'm not sure what other option there is, if we have no one to play nose we're just gonna get killed.

There are other NT's in this draft besides Raji. Draft a fatbody later.

I'm just really against taking him at 3.

Mecca · 04-11-2009, 10:57 PM

If they don't trade down at stay at 3 he makes the most logical sense.

Direckshun · 04-12-2009, 12:09 AM

I am soooooo gunning for Raji.

This team could use a BJ.

KCrockaholic · 04-12-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There are other NT's in this draft besides Raji. Draft a fatbody later.

I'm just really against taking him at 3.

To be fair there arent many NT's in this draft class but Im not sure who said Raji could even play NT? Just because hes wide doesnt mean he can take up 2 lineman at a time and be successful at it. He had Ron Brace playing next to him at BC to help take pressure off Raji. Raji looks the part of NT. But hes never really played it as far as I know.

I actually think Brace would make a better NT than Raji if we are just going to base this off of size.

Direckshun · 04-12-2009, 12:15 AM

You don't have to reinvent the wheel for DL.

If he fits the profile, you can get him to play the position.

Saccopoo · 04-12-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If they don't trade down at stay at 3 he makes the most logical sense.

More than Curry? More than a guy like Orakpo, who is a legit ROLB pass rusher in a 3-4 with size, speed and strength? Isn't this the same argument? Raji is a 4-3 college defensive tackle (who has stumpy arms and is short for that position, particularly in a 3-4). Curry is a 4-3 OLB. But it's okay for Raji to go at the #3, but people have a conniption about Curry or Orakpo or even a guy like Crabtree.

Look, I know that for whatever strange, befuddling reason, people are all up in arms against a guy like Orakpo (and I think that the Chiefs could probably use an edge rusher who can play in the 3-4) or Curry (who can, as of right now, play any of the LB positions, other than the continually raised "he never continually rushed the passer all game long in college so he musn't be able to do it" argument), but are willing to accept a guy like Raji who hasn't played NT in a 3-4, has repeated "problems" in terms of decision making, and has physical limitations in terms of what is considered "prototype" for a 3-4 NT?

Raji would have to be considered a major reach at the #3 spot, and if getting drafted by a team that wants to run a 3-4 defense, would have to be considered a major project, especially versus instant production plug-in guys like the aforementioned Curry, Orakpo or Crabtree. (Or god forbid one of the excellent tackle prospects in this draft.)

I'm not totally discounting a potential pick of Raji by the Chiefs at the #3 position, other than they spent that pick on the same player last year, and that Dorsey was, by all accounts, a more dynamic force at the one-gap DT spot, which is what they both played in college. So why draft another guy who is basically the same player/played the same position, but not as good, as the guy we got with the #5 pick last year?

I mean, if they wanted a potential 3-4 NT, I think that Raji's teammate Ron Brace would have a little better potential at that position than Raji based on his physical attributes alone, and there is the possibility that he'd be around when the Chiefs select at the top of the third.

I just fail to see the logic.

Mecca · 04-13-2009, 01:19 AM

My logic on Brian Orakpo is I think he ****ing blows.

Chiefnj2 · 04-13-2009, 07:19 AM

The more I think about Raji, I'd say no way to using a top 10 pick on the kid. Too many character concerns.

From cbssportsline.com

Character: Raji has finally bought into the program. He comes from a supportive family (both parents are pastors), but his academic problems and lack of work ethic in the past will raise a few red flags. He was suspended for part of a game in 2006 (vs. Clemson) for fighting vs. Central Michigan. The previous coaching staff felt that he was the laziest player on the team, but a year away from the game gave him renewed motivation. Still, you have to wonder if it was to impress the NFL teams or that he finally realized he needs to step it up on and off the field. GRADE: 5.3

Competitiveness: He is a solid competitor who plays with improved aggression, but you would like him to be a little more physical in his play. He can dominate the action in the trenches and never takes plays off. He relies a lot on his quickness and hand usage to finesse blockers and makes every effort to get to the ball, but for a player of his size he should be mauling blockers more often. The staff felt that it needed to motivate him constantly in practices, politely calling him a "game" player. GRADE: 6.0

Work Habits: Raji will never be called a hard worker in the weight room or practices. He is not the type that needs to be pushed to get the best effort out of him, as he is not a self-starter. He is a good field presence who lets his actions speak louder than his words, but not the example you want for being a mentor for the team's younger players. GRADE: 5.0

**Buehler445** · 04-13-2009, 09:18 AM

Gah, I just don't like anyone at 3.

I do think raji has flags, but I'm at a loss of what else to do.

I am genuinely not comfortable paying anyone at the top that type of jack.

I should probably shut my trap. I didn't want any part of Matt Ryan last year and was fully in the Dorsey camp (though the jury is still out on him).

I just don't see anyone up there, save maybe Sanchez (which is wildly risky also with 1 year), that I want to pay that much jack.
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htismaqe · 04-13-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Gah, I just don't like anyone at 3.

I do think raji has flags, but I'm at a loss of what else to do.

I am genuinely not comfortable paying anyone at the top that type of jack.

I should probably shut my trap. I didn't want any part of Matt Ryan last year and was fully in the Dorsey camp (though the jury is still out on him).

I just don't see anyone up there, save maybe Sanchez (which is wildly risky also with 1 year), that I want to pay that much jack.

I'm right there with you.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	The more I think about Raji, I'd say no way to using a top 10 pick on the kid. Too many character concerns. From cbssportsline.com Character: Raji has finally bought into the program. He comes from a supportive family (both parents are pastors), but his academic problems and lack of work ethic in the past will raise a few red flags. He was suspended for part of a game in 2006 (vs. Clemson) for fighting vs. Central Michigan. The previous coaching staff felt that he was the laziest player on the team, but a year away from the game gave him renewed motivation. Still, you have to wonder if it was to impress the NFL teams or that he finally realized he needs to step it up on and off the field. GRADE: 5.3 Competitiveness: He is a solid competitor who plays with improved aggression, but you would like him to be a little more physical in his play. He can dominate the action in the trenches and never takes plays off. He relies a lot on his quickness and hand usage to finesse blockers and makes every effort to get to the ball, but for a player of his size he should be mauling blockers more often. The staff felt that it needed to motivate him constantly in practices, politely calling him a "game" player. GRADE: 6.0 Work Habits: Raji will never be called a hard worker in the weight room or practices. He is not the type that needs to be pushed to get the best effort out of him, as he is not a self-starter. He is a good field presence who lets his actions speak louder than his words, but not the example you want for being a mentor for the team's younger players. GRADE: 5.0 __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1605266	Gah, I just don't like anyone at 3. I do think raji has flags, but I'm at a loss of what else to do. I am genuinely not comfortable paying anyone at the top that type of jack. I should probably shut my trap. I didn't want any part of Matt Ryan last year and was fully in the Dorsey camp (though the jury is still out on him). I just don't see anyone up there, save maybe Sanchez (which is wildly risky also with 1 year), that I want to pay that much jack. Posted via Mobile Device
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