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Old 04-07-2009, 02:06 PM  
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Your Top 5 picks for the #3 overall.

Who do you want the Chiefs to take with the #3 overall?

Seriously. I want you to see what ChiefsPlanet regards as elite, #3 talent.

All choices are welcome here. This is just me picking your brain. This thread is largely debate-free.

Thanks in advance for the honesty.
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I think some of you could be a little more open-minded. Read this older article that shows the OTHER SIDE of the argument...


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Saturday, February 04, 2006
Steelers and Seahawks Used High Draft Picks to Build Strong Offensive Lines
If you want to understand how the most successful franchises use the draft to build their teams, a good place to start is to analyze the starting units of the Super Bowl contestants. Both the Seattle Seahawks and the Pittsburgh Steelers have starting lineups whose trenches are more often manned by high draft picks than are the so called skill positions. In short, winning football is played by real men, not by tippy-toed, small, finesse players.

The Seattle Seahawks will likely start seven first round draft choices in the Super Bowl (four on offense and three on defense) while the Pittsburgh Steelers will send eight first round starters onto the field (5 on offense and 3 on defense). But you may be surprised at the positions those high draft choices play. Not one is a wide receiver. Only two of the eight defensive backfield starters are first rounders, cornerback Marcus Trufant of the Seahawks and hard-hitting safety Troy Polamulu of the Steelers, who plays almost like an additional linebacker. The Seahawks and Steelers each have only one skill position player on offensive drafted in round one, running back Shaun Alexander for Seattle and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for Pittsburgh.

Both the Steelers and the Seahawks have focused on building strong lines through the draft. On offense, Pittsburgh will start three linemen drafted in the first round (guards Alan Faneca and Kendall Simmons and center Jeff Hartings, who was actually drafted by the Lions). Toss in tight end Heath Miller and four of the six front-line blockers are first round picks. Then note that left tackle Marvel Smith was taken with the seventh pick in round two and you'll truly realize where the draft focus of the Steelers has been the past decade. Seattle also expended top picks to build the left side of the line to protect Matt Hasselbeck's backside and to clear half the field for the running of Shaun Alexander. Perennial all-pro left tackle Walter Jones, perhaps the best in the business, was taken with the sixth pick of the 1997 draft. His sidekick, left guard Steve Hutchinson was taken with the 17th pick of the first round in 2001. Toss in tight end Jerramy Stevens and three of the six members of the offensive line are first rounders.

Amazingly, there have only been 10 guards taken in the first round of the draft since 1996, about one per year, two of whom have been switched to center and one to tackle. More amazingly, four of the 10 will be playing in the Super Bowl this year (Hutchinson for the Seahawks and Faneca, Simmons and Hartings, who will be playing center, for the Steelers). Even yet more amazingly, two of the remaining six (Jermane Mayberry of the Eagles and Ross Verba who was drafted by the Packers and later played tackle for the Browns) also played in the Super Bowl.

The only guards drafted in the first round in the past decade who have not gone to the Super Bowl are Chris Naeole, Pete Kendall, Vernon Carey and Logan Mankins. Naeole was picked by the Saints in 1997 and is now playing with the Jacksonville Jaguars, a team with reasonable Super Bowl aspirations. Kendall was drafted by the Seahawks in 1996 and now plays center for the Jets. Vernon Carey was drafted by the Dolphins in 2004, another team that can easily be envisioned as a Super Bowl participant in the next few years if they can improve at quarterback. Mankins was drafted with the last pick of round one in 2005 and contributed to the Patriots' second-half surge that led to the playoffs after the team was decimated earlier in the season by injuries.

The focus of this year's Super Bowl contestants on amassing high draft picks to man the offensive line is in sharp contrast to the fact that in recent years there have been more defensive backs and wide receivers taken in the first round than any other position. During the past five drafts the first round picks have included: 29 defensive backs, 25 wide receivers, 21 defensive ends, 20 defensive tackles, 15 quarterbacks, 14 tackles, 13 running backs, eight tight ends, eight linebackers, four guards and two centers. In each of those years, either defensive back or wide receiver was the position with the most players selected in round one. (Defensive end tied defensive backs with six picks each in 2003).

On defensive, there are also a few surprises. Both the Steelers and the Seahwaks have formidable defenses. In the AFC, only the Indianapolis Colts allowed fewer points than the Steelers. In the NFC, only the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers allowed fewer points than the Seahawks. Yet both the Steelers and the Seahawks have fewer first round starters on defense than on offense.

The Seahawks will play a 4-3 defense with first round draft picks Marcuss Tubbs and Grant Wistrom on the line and Marcus Trufant in the defensive backfield. The Steelers will counter with a 3-4 defense with one first rounders Casey Hampton at nose tackle, James Farrior at inside linebacker (originally drafted by the Jets) and Troy Polamalu at safety.

Now don't get the impression that the Steelers and the Seahawks are infallible in their draft selections or that they have a consistent strategy that sets them apart from all other teams. We know that isn't true because they have both made first round selections that just haven't worked out for the team and that have been inconsistent with the idea that they have focused entirely on using high picks to build their lines. The Steelers, for instance, expended first round picks on wide receivers Troy Edwards (1999) and Plexico Burress (2000) and defensive back Chad Scott (1997). Those picks never paid big dividends for Pittsburgh. The Seahawks missed badly when they selected wide receiver Koren Robinson with the ninth pick in 2001 and never made it very far with defensive back Shawn Springs, the third pick in 1997, who is an all-pro player who eventually became too expensive for the Seahawks to keep. The Seahawks also didn't receive any benefit from drafting tackle Chris McIntosh with the 22nd pick in 2000.

Nevertheless, it would be wise for teams with Super Bowl aspirations to note that this year's Super Bowl teams are built around high draft picks on the offensive lines and that the defensive line has not been overlooked either.
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Steelers and Seahawks Used High Draft Picks to Build Strong Offensive Lines
If you want to understand how the most successful franchises use the draft to build their teams, a good place to start is to analyze the starting units of the Super Bowl contestants. Both the Seattle Seahawks and the Pittsburgh Steelers have starting lineups whose trenches are more often manned by high draft picks than are the so called skill positions. In short, winning football is played by real men, not by tippy-toed, small, finesse players.

The Seattle Seahawks will likely start seven first round draft choices in the Super Bowl (four on offense and three on defense) while the Pittsburgh Steelers will send eight first round starters onto the field (5 on offense and 3 on defense). But you may be surprised at the positions those high draft choices play. Not one is a wide receiver. Only two of the eight defensive backfield starters are first rounders, cornerback Marcus Trufant of the Seahawks and hard-hitting safety Troy Polamulu of the Steelers, who plays almost like an additional linebacker. The Seahawks and Steelers each have only one skill position player on offensive drafted in round one, running back Shaun Alexander for Seattle and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for Pittsburgh.

Both the Steelers and the Seahawks have focused on building strong lines through the draft. On offense, Pittsburgh will start three linemen drafted in the first round (guards Alan Faneca and Kendall Simmons and center Jeff Hartings, who was actually drafted by the Lions). Toss in tight end Heath Miller and four of the six front-line blockers are first round picks. Then note that left tackle Marvel Smith was taken with the seventh pick in round two and you'll truly realize where the draft focus of the Steelers has been the past decade. Seattle also expended top picks to build the left side of the line to protect Matt Hasselbeck's backside and to clear half the field for the running of Shaun Alexander. Perennial all-pro left tackle Walter Jones, perhaps the best in the business, was taken with the sixth pick of the 1997 draft. His sidekick, left guard Steve Hutchinson was taken with the 17th pick of the first round in 2001. Toss in tight end Jerramy Stevens and three of the six members of the offensive line are first rounders.

Amazingly, there have only been 10 guards taken in the first round of the draft since 1996, about one per year, two of whom have been switched to center and one to tackle. More amazingly, four of the 10 will be playing in the Super Bowl this year (Hutchinson for the Seahawks and Faneca, Simmons and Hartings, who will be playing center, for the Steelers). Even yet more amazingly, two of the remaining six (Jermane Mayberry of the Eagles and Ross Verba who was drafted by the Packers and later played tackle for the Browns) also played in the Super Bowl.

The only guards drafted in the first round in the past decade who have not gone to the Super Bowl are Chris Naeole, Pete Kendall, Vernon Carey and Logan Mankins. Naeole was picked by the Saints in 1997 and is now playing with the Jacksonville Jaguars, a team with reasonable Super Bowl aspirations. Kendall was drafted by the Seahawks in 1996 and now plays center for the Jets. Vernon Carey was drafted by the Dolphins in 2004, another team that can easily be envisioned as a Super Bowl participant in the next few years if they can improve at quarterback. Mankins was drafted with the last pick of round one in 2005 and contributed to the Patriots' second-half surge that led to the playoffs after the team was decimated earlier in the season by injuries.

The focus of this year's Super Bowl contestants on amassing high draft picks to man the offensive line is in sharp contrast to the fact that in recent years there have been more defensive backs and wide receivers taken in the first round than any other position. During the past five drafts the first round picks have included: 29 defensive backs, 25 wide receivers, 21 defensive ends, 20 defensive tackles, 15 quarterbacks, 14 tackles, 13 running backs, eight tight ends, eight linebackers, four guards and two centers. In each of those years, either defensive back or wide receiver was the position with the most players selected in round one. (Defensive end tied defensive backs with six picks each in 2003).

On defensive, there are also a few surprises. Both the Steelers and the Seahwaks have formidable defenses. In the AFC, only the Indianapolis Colts allowed fewer points than the Steelers. In the NFC, only the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers allowed fewer points than the Seahawks. Yet both the Steelers and the Seahawks have fewer first round starters on defense than on offense.

The Seahawks will play a 4-3 defense with first round draft picks Marcuss Tubbs and Grant Wistrom on the line and Marcus Trufant in the defensive backfield. The Steelers will counter with a 3-4 defense with one first rounders Casey Hampton at nose tackle, James Farrior at inside linebacker (originally drafted by the Jets) and Troy Polamalu at safety.

Now don't get the impression that the Steelers and the Seahawks are infallible in their draft selections or that they have a consistent strategy that sets them apart from all other teams. We know that isn't true because they have both made first round selections that just haven't worked out for the team and that have been inconsistent with the idea that they have focused entirely on using high picks to build their lines. The Steelers, for instance, expended first round picks on wide receivers Troy Edwards (1999) and Plexico Burress (2000) and defensive back Chad Scott (1997). Those picks never paid big dividends for Pittsburgh. The Seahawks missed badly when they selected wide receiver Koren Robinson with the ninth pick in 2001 and never made it very far with defensive back Shawn Springs, the third pick in 1997, who is an all-pro player who eventually became too expensive for the Seahawks to keep. The Seahawks also didn't receive any benefit from drafting tackle Chris McIntosh with the 22nd pick in 2000.

Nevertheless, it would be wise for teams with Super Bowl aspirations to note that this year's Super Bowl teams are built around high draft picks on the offensive lines and that the defensive line has not been overlooked either.
That's good read. Haley? Pittsburgh? I wouldn't count out the Chiefs picking an OT in the 1st and that's even if they trade down. If they go that route IMO Andre Smith would be the best pick for the Chiefs to mkae the O line the best. I know you don't draft RTs in the top 10. Don't tell me tell Pioli.

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1. NT B.J. Raji

I think this is the pick the Chiefs WILL make if they can't trade down.

2. QB Mark Sanchez

I'm not crazy about spending my first two picks on QBs, but I think Sanchez ensures that the Chiefs, one way or another, have a stud at QB.

3. QB Matt Strafford

I like Strafford, but I am not as convinced that he is the stud that Sanchez is.

4. OT Eugene Monroe

Those first three players are the only ones I consider worth the #3. If we go OT, I'm comfortable taking the same OT that played with Albert.

5. WR Michael Crabtree

This is tentative. I do not think the Chiefs should take Crabtree, but there is no other player I'd like at the #3 overall at this point.
I like this.....Within the last week I have really come to the conclusion they are taking Raji trade down or not.
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Holy shit. Did Matt Millen have some effed up genetic experiment done to him a la The Boys from Brazil, gave them one way tickets to Kansas City and an open wifi connection?

Knowing that we now have Cassel as a QB, you people are still putting Stafford and Sanchez as your first choices for the Chiefs pick? I can't wait until next year when all you little Millen replicas want to draft Bradford and McCoy. Oh, that's right. McCoy plays at Texas and all the respectable CP Insiders know that every player from Texas isn't worth jack squat, and since Bradford played in a spread offense, he sucks too. Damnable spread monkeys! I loathe them. They couldn't operate an offense under center in a Pop Warner league, let alone the pros. Goddamn shame Freeman decided to come out. 6'6", 260 lb., cannon arm, and worked in a pro style system. He'd be perfect for us next year...oh, wait. He played in the Big 12, and we should never draft from the Big 12, because every team, and in a direct correlation all players from all teams in that conference sucks dog nuts. Not as much as Texas, but still sucking pretty hard.

I wonder what quarterback from any conference other than the Big 12 we can draft in 2011?

We sure as hell show them boys in Detroit what for! They think that they can draft four wide receivers in five years in the first round?! We'll draft five quarterbacks in five years, hold each of those drafts hostage for potential picks in later years and we'll build a monster team with all those third and fourth round selections! Hostage I say!!!! Hold every draft hostage! The Chiefs will be the only team with first round quarterbacks! We will force all teams to give us picks to make sure that the get a first round quarterback. The quarterback of the future for any team in the NFL will now go through Kansas City!!!! We will have our pick of QBOTF, and trade off the others in our hostage situation. Mother ****ers will have to call in the ****ing FBI to negotiate 'cause we're holding the rest of the drafts till the ****ing end of time mother ****ing hostage!!!! Hostage!!!! I said HOSTAGE!!!!!

So, I have two top five lists. One is mine, encompassing sanity and reason, the other is a CP Insider friendly version so I don't get ripped by all the draft geniuses around here for not wanting to hold the draft hostage. That's right. I said MOTHER ****ING HOSTAGE!!!!!!

Real Top Five:
1. Aaron Curry
2. Brian Orakpo
3. Michael Oher
4. Eugene Monroe
5. Beanie Wells

CP Insider Top Five:
1. St. Sanchez
2. Matt Stafford - who is better than Sanchez, but we all know that every closet homosexual here has an absolute crush on the handsome, exotic Sanchez and seeing him in a Chiefs uniform will help transition us from the Tony G exotic looking homo man crush phase to a new one where we can silently purr in gay joviality that our new 80%'er (sociologists state that only 10% of the population is heterosexual and 10% is homosexual, with the other 80% falling somewhere in-between) is in a position of actual relevance on the football field, unlike a tight end, or, god-forbid, a ILB.
3. Everette Brown - because a short DE/OLB tweener with suspect speed is just what this franchise needs to pull itself from the ashes of putricity.
4. BJ Raji - 'cause he likes weed, doesn't like to study, is short with short arms and has an ass the size of Jupiter. But I bet he'd love hims some of that Gates and Bryants and Haywards and Hereford House and Jess and Jims and Golden Ox and shit like that yo'. Dude was made for guest judging the Lenexa BBQ contest every stinkin' year.
5. Aaron Curry - just because I don't want to look like a complete and utter dumbass I'll reluctantly put his name here because when all is said and done I know from the bottom of my heart that this guy is the best player in the draft, and I really wanted to put him at the number one spot because, well he is the best player and our linebacking situation for the past 20 years has sucked something fierce, but if I did put Curry at my one spot some of the guys around here would call me names and mock me and then where would I be without my social circle of good internets buddies?
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I have come to realize that I will most likely be disappointed in who we use our #3 pick on, so now I'm attempting to focus on who I will be least disappointed in.

Raji would fill a much needed role in the 3-4, so despite the fact it might be a reach, I'd be fine with the pick. Sadly, I'm also starting to warm up to taking Monroe, because he reminds me a lot of Walter Jones and I guess it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have two elite tackles. Like Raji, Brown would fill a much needed role, but it would be a pretty big reach because he's not close to being Ware or Merriman.

I really, really don't want Curry. I would have been okay with it if we were still going to run a 4-3, but using a top 3 pick on a 3-4 ILB would be a massive waste of a pick, IMO.
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I really, really don't want Curry. I would have been okay with it if we were still going to run a 4-3, but using a top 3 pick on a 3-4 ILB would be a massive waste of a pick, IMO.
As much as I'd hate it, I'd rather have Curry over Monroe.

The Chiefs don't need another left tackle. They do need linebackers.

But I'd only take Curry if Stafford and Sanchez are gone.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:05 AM   #299
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As much as I'd hate it, I'd rather have Curry over Monroe.

The Chiefs don't need another left tackle. They do need linebackers.

But I'd only take Curry if Stafford and Sanchez are gone.
I'd take Crabtree if it meant passing on another LT.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:12 AM   #300
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I'd take Crabtree if it meant passing on another LT.
Me too, but like you with Curry, I'd hold my nose while doing so.
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