Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez - Page 14

The Poz · 04-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331

The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez.
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds.

Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.

Crush · 04-12-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

You SUCK! Don't care about Gonzo? How can anyone in KC not have respect for him. I wouldn't just give him away but if he wanted to go to Atl, then I'd take a second rdr and let him go. He could have left a long time ago and didn't.

First of all, Tony could care less about KC so **** him. Even if really did love KC, then... well bye. My loyalty lies to the team and the insignia that represents it, not to any particular player.

Secondly, it does not matter if he wants to go to Atlanta or not. Pioli will ship Tony's ass off to Atlanta, whether Tony likes it or not.

Finally, I have no sympathy for millionaires.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

You SUCK! Don't care about Gonzo? How can anyone in KC not have respect for him. I wouldn't just give him away but if he wanted to go to Atl, then I'd take a second rdr and let him go. He could have left a long time ago and didn't.

I respect him as a player, but my emotional attachment to him is as strong as his emotional attachment to me.

As I said, I'm a fan of the franchise and the city more generally.

Furthermore, I don't give a **** what he wants to do. We should be making moves that benefit the long-term viability of the franchise, as it relates to Gonzo and everyone else.

I'm sure the $$$ had nothing to do with why he didn't leave earlier in his career. Gonzo isn't an idiot; he's had both eyes open every time he's re-signed with this team, so I have no sympathy for his "plight."

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sounds good.

Regardless of what they do this offseason, I'm sticking to no more than 4 wins.

I think that if you subtract Herm and Carl and plug in a decent QB, they could have won 4 games last year.

I'm guessing they win 6 or 7 in 2009, with the improvements, the new coaching, hopefully removing distractions, and playing in a weak division.

Obviously making the playoffs is a pipe dream, but they could improve 4 or 5 games. That's the team's ceiling in Pioli: Year 1, but they could do it.

tk13 · 04-12-2009, 06:53 PM

This makes me nervous not for sentimental reasons but because we'd be taking away Cassel's best weapon. But of course a lot of people want Cassel to fail... but as much as people tout this guy and that guy as the next great TE over and over... Gates is really been the only one to come close. Gonzalez would be very difficult to replace.

**dirk digler** · 04-12-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

This makes me nervous not for sentimental reasons but because we'd be taking away Cassel's best weapon. But of course a lot of people want Cassel to fail... but as much as people tout this guy and that guy as the next great TE over and over... Gates is really been the only one to come close. Gonzalez would be very difficult to replace.

Yep. I don't like the idea of trading Tony G right now. We don't have enough weapons for Cassel if he is gone.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

This makes me nervous not for sentimental reasons but because we'd be taking away Cassel's best weapon. But of course a lot of people want Cassel to fail... but as much as people tout this guy and that guy as the next great TE over and over... Gates is really been the only one to come close. Gonzalez would be very difficult to replace.

I don't think anyone wants Cassel to fail. I've stated that it's not the move I wanted, and I don't think it will ultimately prove successful, but I hope to be wrong. I think the perceived "Cassel opponents" largely fall into this category.

And I agree that you're almost certainly not going to replace Gonzo, now or in the foreseeable future. But a competent TE and a stronger group of WR's would work, too.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep. I don't like the idea of trading Tony G right now. We don't have enough weapons for Cassel if he is gone.

Other than we have a coach and GM who come from teams that stress the WRs as weapons and the TE's as blockers...

It's a deep WR draft on top of that. This is probably dirty to Chiefs fans but you're better off with your weapons being outside and your TE just being a complimentary piece.

Crush · 04-12-2009, 07:02 PM

I don't want Cassel to fail. However, if the Falcons are willing to give up a 2nd Round pick for an aging TE, who has stated that he would only play for 1-2 more years, then you make that trade.

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep. I don't like the idea of trading Tony G right now. We don't have enough weapons for Cassel if he is gone.

I don't get this... Cassel probably has more than one year left in the tank.

No other team in the league has a Tony Gonzalez. They all groom young QBs anyway. We've got Bowe, we brought in Engram, we spent a first day pick on a (supposed)pass-catching tight end last year. And there are plenty of WRs and TEs in the draft.

Is that the best skill position lineup in the league? No. But you know what, Cassel is a veteran player now. He can deal with it. This isn't tecmo bowl where you only have one year. What, are we going to cost ourselves a playoff appearance...?

What is the risk? What is the worst case scenario? The offense sucks again?

If you have a chance to trade a player who only has one or two seasons left for a second round pick, do it.

tk13 · 04-12-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

No other team in the league has a Tony Gonzalez.

You just answered your own question.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't think anyone wants Cassel to fail. I've stated that it's not the move I wanted, and I don't think it will ultimately prove successful, but I hope to be wrong. I think the perceived "Cassel opponents" largely fall into this category.

And I agree that you're almost certainly not going to replace Gonzo, now or in the foreseeable future. But a competent TE and a stronger group of WR's would work, too.

That's the thing, you really don't NEED to replace him, as Haley doesn't utilize the TE as a weapon in his offense.

Most teams don't - people here just think that the offense should run through the TE, because it has for the last 10 years.

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

You just answered your own question.

What are we risking by trading him though?

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's the thing, you really don't NEED to replace him, as Haley doesn't utilize the TE as a weapon in his offense.

Most teams don't - people here just think that the offense should run through the TE, because it has for the last 10 years.

Good point.

googlegoogle · 04-12-2009, 07:09 PM

Don't handcuff Pioli. Let him run it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-12-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep. I don't like the idea of trading Tony G right now. We don't have enough weapons for Cassel if he is gone.

BLASPHEMY!

The Messiah requires no crutches.

04-12-2009, 10:29 AM
The Poz Enjoyer of things Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Casino cash: $10012210	Falcons after Gonzalez Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331 The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez. The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds. Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.
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04-12-2009, 06:53 PM	#199
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1757500	This makes me nervous not for sentimental reasons but because we'd be taking away Cassel's best weapon. But of course a lot of people want Cassel to fail... but as much as people tout this guy and that guy as the next great TE over and over... Gates is really been the only one to come close. Gonzalez would be very difficult to replace.
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Crush Amateur Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $2367091	I don't want Cassel to fail. However, if the Falcons are willing to give up a 2nd Round pick for an aging TE, who has stated that he would only play for 1-2 more years, then you make that trade.
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googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Don't handcuff Pioli. Let him run it.
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