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Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 01:31 PM

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Name the last non-pass rushing LB that went in the top 5 and how was their career...

AJ Hawk..... linebackers in the top 5 are rare, pass rushing or not.

htismaqe · 04-13-2009, 01:45 PM

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AJ Hawk..... linebackers in the top 5 are rare, pass rushing or not.

Do you want AJ Hawk with the #3 overall pick?

I sure as hell don't.

Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 01:57 PM

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Do you want AJ Hawk with the #3 overall pick?

I sure as hell don't.

That's a different question. Hawk is the only top 5 linebacker taken since Arrington in 2000. However, this is a terrible year to have a top 5 pick, because this year the players available at 10-20 are going to be just as good as those available at 1-10, with the possible exception of the left tackles. Just looking at linebackers, Gholston, Rivers and Mayo would all be possible top 5 picks if they were in this year's draft instead of last year. Heck, Gholston went at 6 last year.

ChiefsCountry · 04-13-2009, 02:06 PM

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That's a different question. Hawk is the only top 5 linebacker taken since Arrington in 2000. However, this is a terrible year to have a top 5 pick, because this year the players available at 10-20 are going to be just as good as those available at 1-10, with the possible exception of the left tackles. Just looking at linebackers, Gholston, Rivers and Mayo would all be possible top 5 picks if they were in this year's draft instead of last year. Heck, Gholston went at 6 last year.

Gholston is a passrusher that warrants top 5.

philfree · 04-13-2009, 02:09 PM

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Gholston is a passrusher that warrants top 5.

A.J. Hawk or Gholston?

PhilFree

Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 02:10 PM

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Gholston is a passrusher that warrants top 5.

Come on, use your head. The DROY was a non-pass rusher. Re-Stack last year's draft and he goes top 5, in all likelihood while Gholston doesn't go in the first round. It's just another example of why having fixed notions about where to take positions in the draft is idiotic.

ChiefsCountry · 04-13-2009, 02:14 PM

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Come on, use your head. The DROY was a non-pass rusher. Re-Stack last year's draft and he goes top 5, in all likelihood while Gholston doesn't go in the first round. It's just another example of why having fixed notions about where to take positions in the draft is idiotic.

Redraft my ass if ILB was worth anything they would be taken every year in the top 5. History proves that.

Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 02:20 PM

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Redraft my ass if ILB was worth anything they would be taken every year in the top 5. History proves that.

More nonsense. When was Marino drafted? How about Randy Moss? How about Jerry Rice? Joe Montana? You're confusing positional picking in a normal year with talent aquisition.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-13-2009, 02:14 PM

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Come on, use your head. The DROY was a non-pass rusher. Re-Stack last year's draft and he goes top 5, in all likelihood while Gholston doesn't go in the first round. It's just another example of why having fixed notions about where to take positions in the draft is idiotic.

And he plays a position that is very easy to learn. He got DROY because he had a ton of tackles. But the 3-4 puts ILBs in a position to make plays. It's the least important position in a 3-4.

In the first place, LBs have to be exceptional to be in the top 5. I've seen evidence that Mayo and Rivers were worth first round picks, but I haven't seen any evidence thusfar that they can play to the same level as say a Ray Lewis. Because that's how good you need to be to warrant a top 5 pick at LB. Especially an OLB in a 4-3. That's years of draft history, not just my personal opinion.

Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 02:22 PM

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And he plays a position that is very easy to learn. He got DROY because he had a ton of tackles. But the 3-4 puts ILBs in a position to make plays. It's the least important position in a 3-4.

In the first place, LBs have to be exceptional to be in the top 5. I've seen evidence that Mayo and Rivers were worth first round picks, but I haven't seen any evidence thusfar that they can play to the same level as say a Ray Lewis. Because that's how good you need to be to warrant a top 5 pick at LB. Especially an OLB in a 4-3. That's years of draft history, not just my personal opinion.

AJ Hawk was a top 5 pick. That alone kills your argument.

htismaqe · 04-13-2009, 02:37 PM

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The DROY was a non-pass rusher.

On a team with precious few holes.

Come on, use your head.

Just Passin' By · 04-13-2009, 02:39 PM

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On a team with precious few holes.

Come on, use your head.

I am using my head. Sadly, far too many people here, who complain about "business as usual" under Peterson, are arguing that the Chiefs should conduct "business as usual" in the draft.

The irony involved seems to have been missed.