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Old 04-16-2009, 11:13 PM  
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:32 AM   #61
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I like Stafford and hope we draft him, but:

Why is it that winning a Super Bowl is the end all be all to if a QB in the NFL is worth a shit, but when it is a college QB, it isn't all that important if they win because "they weren't surrounded by all world talent?" Stafford's Georgia team was preseason #1 and they underperformed this year. I see all the posts about Cassel only being a good trade if he wins a Super Bowl in the next several years, but yet winning at the college level for Stafford doesn't show anything?
With the roster changing all the time and the amount of teams, you can't judge a kid based on how many championships they won. Throw in the fact that more and more teams are going to the spread, which is a deadly offense in the college ranks due to a lack of speed and elite talent on defenses.

Now if they had an absolutely terrible team, that is cause for concern. They were a good team they just weren't the best.

In the NFL everything is supposed to be an even playing field. No one should hold Cassel to expectations like that, though. It's just not realistic. So many things have to go right in a season that it's ridiculous to hold someone to those standards. Hell, Peyton Manning has only won one with some great Indy teams, and IMO he is the greatest QB to ever play the game and would have been so if he hadn't won a championship.
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Old 04-17-2009, 10:09 AM   #62
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He has one of the worst throwing motions of any QB, ever, and comes from an offense that greatly increases his learning curve. He has iffy arm strength and accuracy to boot. Nothing about him says NFL QB.
On the other hand, Urban seems to be attempting to address these perceived "problems" that have people saying that Tebow would be a better fullback than quarterback in the NFL. He's going to be using pro style sets in his offense next year and has brought in a guy (can't remember his name) to orchestrate this as well as refine Tebow's throwing mechanics. I was reading somewhere that the receivers were already commenting on how much better the ball was coming out of his hand, etc.

It's actually nice to see that Urban is going the distance for a kid that had a hand in winning him two national championships in four years. Also, it tells me that there is something about Tebow to make Urban do this for him. I think the kid has got potential. That being said, Stafford looks as good a pro quarterback prospect as I've seen in a long time. Smart, thick build, has decent mobility, and a cannon for an arm. A three year starter that has won all three bowl games he's played in.
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:45 AM   #63
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:04 PM   #64
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That's pretty damned impressive.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:07 PM   #65
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On the other hand, Urban seems to be attempting to address these perceived "problems" that have people saying that Tebow would be a better fullback than quarterback in the NFL. He's going to be using pro style sets in his offense next year and has brought in a guy (can't remember his name) to orchestrate this as well as refine Tebow's throwing mechanics. I was reading somewhere that the receivers were already commenting on how much better the ball was coming out of his hand, etc.

It's actually nice to see that Urban is going the distance for a kid that had a hand in winning him two national championships in four years. Also, it tells me that there is something about Tebow to make Urban do this for him. I think the kid has got potential. That being said, Stafford looks as good a pro quarterback prospect as I've seen in a long time. Smart, thick build, has decent mobility, and a cannon for an arm. A three year starter that has won all three bowl games he's played in.
That's what needs to happen if he wants a legitimate shot at being a pro QB. The problem is, and depending upon his ability to learn and pick things up quickly, he's showing up to the dance at a quarter to midnight.
We'll see. Stafford's 2007 reel looks NOTHING like his 2008, so much can change over the course of a season.

But the important thing is, he's taking the steps, and this only validates 150% the arguments against him coming in to the 2009 draft as opposed to going back to school.
Now, will The Llama and McCroyle follow his lead? They better.
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that is actually very impressive

i only hope that detroit takes him so i don't have the pain of us passing on him
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:42 PM   #68
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that is actually very impressive

i only hope that detroit takes him so i don't have the pain of us passing on him
We were close. So close. Oh well, maybe ten years from now...
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that is actually very impressive

i only hope that detroit takes him so i don't have the pain of us passing on him
Yeah, I think they will so it really won't matter.
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So in other words, he sucks.
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On the other hand, Urban seems to be attempting to address these perceived "problems" that have people saying that Tebow would be a better fullback than quarterback in the NFL. He's going to be using pro style sets in his offense next year and has brought in a guy (can't remember his name) to orchestrate this as well as refine Tebow's throwing mechanics. I was reading somewhere that the receivers were already commenting on how much better the ball was coming out of his hand, etc.

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Urban's going the distance for himself, as he realizes he'll never get great QB recruits if they have no shot to go pro. Matt Barkley and Aaron Corp aren't going to run his combination of spread and triple option.
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I like Stafford and hope we draft him, but:

Why is it that winning a Super Bowl is the end all be all to if a QB in the NFL is worth a shit, but when it is a college QB, it isn't all that important if they win because "they weren't surrounded by all world talent?" Stafford's Georgia team was preseason #1 and they underperformed this year. I see all the posts about Cassel only being a good trade if he wins a Super Bowl in the next several years, but yet winning at the college level for Stafford doesn't show anything?
If winning in college was important for the NFL then Gino Torretta, Tommie Frazier and those types would be greatest NFL QBs ever.
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Yeah, I think they will so it really won't matter.
Yep, good ol' laughingstock Detroit turns out to be smarter than the mighty Jesus GM; who'da thunk it?
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