ESPN gave us a B draft grade. Does that make the pessimist happier?

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[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.

The famous Ron Borges quote:

“On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”

[Pioli Zombie]

This is exactly how Patriot fans reacted the first few drafts. Finally after the 2nd Super Bowl win they started to respect that maybe Belichick and Pioli knew what they were doing.

But they idiots for picking Seymour instead of David Terrell. They were idiots for Ty Warren instead of trading up for Dwayne Robertson. They were idiots for cutting Lawyer Milloy and going with youngsters like Asante Samuel. Blah blah blah blah.

Same shit.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The famous Ron Borges quote:

And everyone who follows the NFL knows that Ron Borges is a ****ing reerun.

Your point?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.

If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed.

[Mecca]

They cut Lawyer Milloy to play that vaunted youngster Rodney Harrison.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

This is exactly how Patriot fans reacted the first few drafts. Finally after the 2nd Super Bowl win they started to respect that maybe Belichick and Pioli knew what they were doing.

But they idiots for picking Seymour instead of David Terrell. They were idiots for Ty Warren instead of trading up for Dwayne Robertson. They were idiots for cutting Lawyer Milloy and going with youngsters like Asante Samuel. Blah blah blah blah.

Same shit.
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Bill Belichick isn't walking through that door. Tom Brady isn't walking through that door and Thomas Dimitroff isn't walking through that door.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bill Belichick isn't walking through that door. Tom Brady isn't walking through that door and Thomas Dimitroff isn't walking through that door.

[ChiefRon]

I think we also have to understand this.

The Pats org have scouting setup differently than we do, and our scouts have been taught/trained how to do some things differently than Pioli + Haley expected.

They referenced this in the pre-draft conference.

I expect we'll be making changes in the scouting dept and next years draft will be much different in approach and it will show on draft day.

I think our FO was put together so late in the process, the changes could not have been practically accomplished in the amount of time remaining before the draft.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And Brady, Light, Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, Milloy, and Woody would all go to Pro Bowls shortly thereafter.

It wasn't like they had 3 high quality players, and that's it.

You just keep changing the parameters to suit your will, so trying to talk rationally about this with you is just a waste of time.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.

Yeah, I thought that had been mentioned. Thank you, it makes a lot of sense.

Do you think we will have some pressure on the QB again, or stop the run better?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed.

It's easy to see why you're upset. You narrowed this entire draft down to one player and we didn't take him.

I get it, I really do. I just can't bring myself to get all worked up about it.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They cut Lawyer Milloy to play that vaunted youngster Rodney Harrison.

Mecca the Patriot expert. Football teams play 2 safeties. Milloy and Harrison were going to both play. But they had youngsters like Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel that they had just drafted. They cut Milloy because he wasn't worth his contract and Milloy wouldn't agree to a paycut. They released Milloy and played Wilson.

Everyone freaked out. The Patriots were proven right.
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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yeah, I thought that had been mentioned. Thank you, it makes a lot of sense.

Do you think we will have some pressure on the QB again, or stop the run better?

I'm much more worried about stopping the run. We were awful against the run and it was simply overshadowed by our record-setting futility at rushing the passer.

Stopping the run is by far the most important thing for a defense.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by ChiefRon

I think we also have to understand this.

The Pats org have scouting setup differently than we do, and our scouts have been taught/trained how to do some things differently than Pioli + Haley expected.

They referenced this in the pre-draft conference.

I expect we'll be making changes in the scouting dept and next years draft will be much different in approach and it will show on draft day.

I think our FO was put together so late in the process, the changes could not have been practically accomplished in the amount of time remaining before the draft.

Dimitroff was the Patriots DIRECTOR of scouting and look at how he conducted his first offseason:

Franchise QB
Franchise LT
Get a RB to protect the QB

next year

Pass Catching Red Zone threat to help QBs development


Offense is set.

So what do we do?

Penetrating DT
Ball hawking safety
pass rusher
road grader


Nowhere in there did I see Dimitroff needing to completely revamp their scouting department, or taking a pure Patriot approach to drafting. He also didn't scrap what talent he had on D to put a square peg into a round hole and then spent an entire draft burning picks to fit the scheme when the value was elsewhere.

That scouting department excuse is just CYA for Pioli.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yeah, I thought that had been mentioned. Thank you, it makes a lot of sense.

Do you think we will have some pressure on the QB again, or stop the run better?

No. Jackson can't do anything. He totally sucks shit. That's why Pioli drafted him. Duh.
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