NFL Draft Broncos' Draft - Page 2

Mile High Mania · 04-27-2009, 02:55 PM

Ok, so I've been gone since Friday... and have only now really been able to start digesting all that happened over the weekend. My first thoughts were "Crap - they didn't go defense with that first pick." And, my second thought was "They did what with the 2010 R1 pick?"

So, after I have read through the various information, I'm content with what happened. I mean, seriously... like I have another option.

Anyway - in regards to Moreno, I love the idea of having him on the team, I think he's very talented and is going to be an integral part of that offense, especially with Orton as QB. An average QBs best friend is a hell of a supporting cast. Denver has a nice oline, great young receivers and now... a true lead threat at RB. I will be interested to see how the depth shakes out with the mass of options they have at this time. And, for a team that is likely going to field a questionable defense against a brutal schedule... a strong running game should help, so from that aspect I like the pick.

DEF - I like Ayers... while I would have preferred them trading up for Raji or going DEF/DEF... I like this guy as a strong addition to the front 7.

Alphonso Smith... better be worth the trade and while he received high marks prior to the draft, I'm just a bit surprised the made the move to get him. I know they can definitely use him, I'm just surprised that he is the DEF option they took after making the trade.

I like McBath and Bruton... both should be good contributors, I was hoping McBath would be on their radar.

Quinn... I dunno what to think really, not sure he's the answer to any significant question they had, but we'll see.

The final 4 picks (Olsen, McKinley, Brandstater, Schlueter)... are bit players at this point and we'll see if any of them stick.

Maybe the Broncos really love their DEF cast of characters they have now, but I do wonder if they missed out by not going DEF/DEF in Round 1.

I haven't had a chance to look for the threads from this site that likely had all the bashing of Broncos' picks, but I'll find it.

The first 4 seletions should have an impact this year... they'll essentially define the success or failure of the draft. I'll go pick through the UDFA updates soon, but I read that it looks like they went DL/LB heavy.

Ok.. feel free to post and tell me why they sucked.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

Seahawks receive:
» 2010 first-round pick

Broncos receive:
» 2009 second-round pick (No. 37): CB Alphonso Smith

Analysis: NFL Network analysts Charley Casserly, Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi are in agreement on this trade: Smith is not worth next year's first round pick. They think the price is too high for a cornerback who is only 5-foot-9 with questionable speed. "It’s a little dangerous to trade away next year’s one," Lombardi said. "You’re taking a chance, especially on a corner, and a small corner at that. That bothers me." The Seahawks will receive the Broncos' natural pick in 2010 and not the one acquired from the Bears for Cutler.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

I think he's implying that you used a 2010 1st round pick to get the mid round pick you used on Smith - implying you "gave up" two picks - the 2010 first and the pick you actually used to select him.

Semantics, I know - but I think that's what he meant.

orange · 04-27-2009, 04:34 PM

If he meant that, then he's even stupider than I thought. You only use the pick you actually use.

I prefer to think he was just a bit confused.

DaWolf · 04-27-2009, 04:35 PM

One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

patteeu · 04-27-2009, 04:36 PM

Taking a RB at 12 seems like the kind of thing you ought to do when he's one of your last pieces of the puzzle, not when you're desperate for defense. Surely one of the stable of guys you signed during the offseason would have been enough to cover up your QB deficiency.

As a Chiefs fan, I'm thrilled by the Broncos draft.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

If he meant that, then he's even stupider than I thought. You only use the pick you actually use.

I prefer to think he was just a bit confused.

Go nuts.

Makes no difference to me.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf

One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

And a guy who's running back committees in New England were arguably worse than Shanahan's.

orange · 04-27-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf

One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

McDaniels was quoted in the Denver Post as saying something like "Believe me, I know how hard it is to find runningbacks."

The Dillon/Maroney factor at play.

**the Talking Can** · 04-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ok, so I've been gone since Friday... and have only now really been able to start digesting all that happened over the weekend. My first thoughts were "Crap - they didn't go defense with that first pick." And, my second thought was "They did what with the 2010 R1 pick?"

So, after I have read through the various information, I'm content with what happened. I mean, seriously... like I have another option.

Anyway - in regards to Moreno, I love the idea of having him on the team, I think he's very talented and is going to be an integral part of that offense, especially with Orton as QB. An average QBs best friend is a hell of a supporting cast. Denver has a nice oline, great young receivers and now... a true lead threat at RB. I will be interested to see how the depth shakes out with the mass of options they have at this time. And, for a team that is likely going to field a questionable defense against a brutal schedule... a strong running game should help, so from that aspect I like the pick.

DEF - I like Ayers... while I would have preferred them trading up for Raji or going DEF/DEF... I like this guy as a strong addition to the front 7.

Alphonso Smith... better be worth the trade and while he received high marks prior to the draft, I'm just a bit surprised the made the move to get him. I know they can definitely use him, I'm just surprised that he is the DEF option they took after making the trade.

I like McBath and Bruton... both should be good contributors, I was hoping McBath would be on their radar.

Quinn... I dunno what to think really, not sure he's the answer to any significant question they had, but we'll see.

The final 4 picks (Olsen, McKinley, Brandstater, Schlueter)... are bit players at this point and we'll see if any of them stick.

Maybe the Broncos really love their DEF cast of characters they have now, but I do wonder if they missed out by not going DEF/DEF in Round 1.

I haven't had a chance to look for the threads from this site that likely had all the bashing of Broncos' picks, but I'll find it.

The first 4 seletions should have an impact this year... they'll essentially define the success or failure of the draft. I'll go pick through the UDFA updates soon, but I read that it looks like they went DL/LB heavy.

Ok.. feel free to post and tell me why they sucked.

i love moreno, he'll be an excellent pro and is a total gamer....

the rest of your draft is eh...with the giving of a 2010 #1 for a second round CB just brutally bad...you sound just like we do, trying to rationalize a draft that leaves you a bit queasy....

DaWolf · 04-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

McDaniels was quoted in the Denver Post as saying something like "Believe me, I know how hard it is to find runningbacks."

The Dillon/Maroney factor at play.

Yeah exactly. You've got to believe that he's looking to play ball control with his offense to keep that defense off the field...

patteeu · 04-27-2009, 04:42 PM

One of the guys on the radio today, I can't remember who and I can't remember whether it was a local host or a national guest, said something that rang pretty true to me about Denver's draft. He suggested that their actions had the smell of "win now" and he thought it was because McDaniels has already created such a mess with the fanbase and the owner that if he doesn't win early he won't last as head coach very long (maybe even just one year). Picking a RB at 12 and trading next year's 1st for a 2nd this year both seem to fit that "win now" analysis.

orange · 04-27-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i love moreno, he'll be an excellent pro and is a total gamer....

the rest of your draft is eh...with the giving of a 2010 #1 for a second round CB just brutally bad...you sound just like we do, trying to rationalize a draft that leaves you a bit queasy....

The guy was a two-time All-American. He's short. The Broncos rated him as a first-round talent.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him, but IF he's a first-rounder then I'm totally onboard with going for him aggressively.

One-year = one-round in NFL trades traditionally. Carolina knows this, too (Otah, Brown).

Miles · 04-27-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Moreno is the next Maurice Clarrett

orange · 04-27-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

One of the guys on the radio today, I can't remember who and I can't remember whether it was a local host or a national guest, said something that rang pretty true to me about Denver's draft. He suggested that their actions had the smell of "win now" and he thought it was because McDaniels has already created such a mess with the fanbase and the owner that if he doesn't win early he won't last as head coach very long (maybe even just one year). Picking a RB at 12 and trading next year's 1st for a 2nd this year both seem to fit that "win now" analysis.

They started the year with Cutler - now they don't have him. Why not use all the picks they got for him NOW just to get back as close as they can to where they started?

Valiant · 04-27-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Moreno should do well in that system if teams don't stack up against him. It will be interesting to see if teams dare Orton to beat them -- he's got the weapons downfield but I'm completely clueless as to how well he'll be able to reach them. If they stack up against Orton I guess we'll find out.

Ayers was a horrendous pick. He does not fit the 3-4 anywhere except OLB and he was a one-year wonder. Congratulations MHM, you've got Turk McBride, Vol. II.

You better stinking hope that Alphonso Smith is a Pro Bowl corner for most of his career, because you guys gave up a 1st (potential top 10) *AND* a mid-2nd for him. It's simply not good enough for him to be Brandon Flowers. He must be Champ Bailey.

Isn't the system gone now with the Rat out?? Or are they going to keep the zone blocking scheme??

orange · 04-27-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant

Isn't the system gone now with the Rat out?? Or are they going to keep the zone blocking scheme??

I think they're keeping the scheme. One of the new players (Moreno maybe) said he liked that they had the same scheme he knew - "zone in, zone out" or something like that.

[edit] here it is:

Moreno said he couldn't be happier to be picked by Denver.

"At Georgia, we ran the inside-outside zone, and the Broncos do that," Moreno said. "That's great. I feel comfortable with that."

04-27-2009, 02:55 PM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $837229	Broncos' Draft Ok, so I've been gone since Friday... and have only now really been able to start digesting all that happened over the weekend. My first thoughts were "Crap - they didn't go defense with that first pick." And, my second thought was "They did what with the 2010 R1 pick?" So, after I have read through the various information, I'm content with what happened. I mean, seriously... like I have another option. Anyway - in regards to Moreno, I love the idea of having him on the team, I think he's very talented and is going to be an integral part of that offense, especially with Orton as QB. An average QBs best friend is a hell of a supporting cast. Denver has a nice oline, great young receivers and now... a true lead threat at RB. I will be interested to see how the depth shakes out with the mass of options they have at this time. And, for a team that is likely going to field a questionable defense against a brutal schedule... a strong running game should help, so from that aspect I like the pick. DEF - I like Ayers... while I would have preferred them trading up for Raji or going DEF/DEF... I like this guy as a strong addition to the front 7. Alphonso Smith... better be worth the trade and while he received high marks prior to the draft, I'm just a bit surprised the made the move to get him. I know they can definitely use him, I'm just surprised that he is the DEF option they took after making the trade. I like McBath and Bruton... both should be good contributors, I was hoping McBath would be on their radar. Quinn... I dunno what to think really, not sure he's the answer to any significant question they had, but we'll see. The final 4 picks (Olsen, McKinley, Brandstater, Schlueter)... are bit players at this point and we'll see if any of them stick. Maybe the Broncos really love their DEF cast of characters they have now, but I do wonder if they missed out by not going DEF/DEF in Round 1. I haven't had a chance to look for the threads from this site that likely had all the bashing of Broncos' picks, but I'll find it. The first 4 seletions should have an impact this year... they'll essentially define the success or failure of the draft. I'll go pick through the UDFA updates soon, but I read that it looks like they went DL/LB heavy. Ok.. feel free to post and tell me why they sucked.
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04-27-2009, 04:34 PM	#17
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04-27-2009, 04:35 PM	#18
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...
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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Taking a RB at 12 seems like the kind of thing you ought to do when he's one of your last pieces of the puzzle, not when you're desperate for defense. Surely one of the stable of guys you signed during the offseason would have been enough to cover up your QB deficiency. As a Chiefs fan, I'm thrilled by the Broncos draft. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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04-27-2009, 04:42 PM	#25
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	One of the guys on the radio today, I can't remember who and I can't remember whether it was a local host or a national guest, said something that rang pretty true to me about Denver's draft. He suggested that their actions had the smell of "win now" and he thought it was because McDaniels has already created such a mess with the fanbase and the owner that if he doesn't win early he won't last as head coach very long (maybe even just one year). Picking a RB at 12 and trading next year's 1st for a 2nd this year both seem to fit that "win now" analysis. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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