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Old 04-29-2009, 07:54 PM   #1
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I can't imagine we would spend our first two draft picks on DEs and then sign Taylor. That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I know we had the worst pash rush in history but we've put more effort in to the Dline than anywhere else on the team and we have many needs.
We draft 3-4 DE's and Taylor would be a rushbacker. Besides we need depth at the DE spot for a 3-4 as well.
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:07 PM   #2
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We draft 3-4 DE's and Taylor would be a rushbacker. Besides we need depth at the DE spot for a 3-4 as well.
Well, if we need depth we should just sign some RFAs because, collectively on the Dline, we have two guys drafted in the 1st round, one guy drafted in the 2nd round and two guys drafted in the third round. I know we were beyond awful last year and I know we are going to a new defensive scheme but I would really prefer to at least see these guys in the new scheme with the new coaches before I give up on any of them.
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:25 PM   #3
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Well, if we need depth we should just sign some RFAs because, collectively on the Dline, we have two guys drafted in the 1st round, one guy drafted in the 2nd round and two guys drafted in the third round. I know we were beyond awful last year and I know we are going to a new defensive scheme but I would really prefer to at least see these guys in the new scheme with the new coaches before I give up on any of them.
Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:18 AM   #4
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Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.
And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:47 AM   #5
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And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.
I appreciate the input and amount of detail you've put into all of this. I really do.

But if you want to be respected around here, it might be best to stop with the condescending tone.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:53 AM   #6
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And we will be running some 4-3.

I've already proven that we're not running a true 3-4 scheme, and the fact is we will still be running a lot of 4-3 formations. What do you think we're going to be in in nickel and dime packages most of the time? A 40 front with 4 down linemen. And now teams run 3 wide so much that you end up in nickel about 45% of the time.
How have you "proven" they will not run a true 3-4 scheme other than say Clancy doesn't have the experience with it?
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:00 AM   #7
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How have you "proven" they will not run a true 3-4 scheme other than say Clancy doesn't have the experience with it?
Clancy DOES have experience with it. So does Gary Gibbs.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:01 AM   #8
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Clancy DOES have experience with it. So does Gary Gibbs.
Clancy does not. He has never run a 3-4 two gap front as a defensive coordinator and one of the reasons that Whiz let him go in Zona was because he wanted to get someone who runs a two gap 3-4. Gary Gibbs also ran a 4-3 with the Saints, not a 3-4. And this wasn't by request of Sean Payton, who is also a Parcell's descendant.

Basically you guys keep going back to the fact that you think we are going to run a two gap 3-4 but you haven't shown a thing that points to that, other than Haley being a Parcell's guy and Pioli being in New England. If they wanted to run a true 3-4 that bad, they would have hired TRUE 3-4 guys. They didn't. They hired guys that have run fronts that are SIMILAR to 3-4 fronts, but run in 1 gap schemes. And that's a fact. So until you have something tangible that points to us going to a 3-4 two gap front maybe it's best to stop talking about it like it's fact.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:37 AM   #9
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Taylor wouldn't provide depth at DE unless we were running a 4-3. He's ALMOST undersized for the 4-3, let alone the 3-4.

We need rush linebackers and that's what he would play here.
Too tall.
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so no one has ESPN insider and feeling generous?
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:52 PM   #11
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so no one has ESPN insider and feeling generous?
Might want to check page 2 of this thread. The info on ESPN insider was already posted there.
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