Jackson And Magee - The Foundation?

[Delano]

At this point it's quite easy to see the philosophy of building your team through special teams and each unit (offense and defense) from the lines out.

I think Pioli and Haley feel better about the O-line than most of us.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Delano

At this point it's quite easy to see the philosophy of building your team through special teams and each unit (offense and defense) from the lines out.

I think Pioli and Haley feel better about the O-line than most of us.

I think adding Goff is a lot bigger than people believe. The right side isn't terrible anymore, but our guards aren't a long term solution either.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by RustShack

I think adding Goff is a lot bigger than people believe. The right side isn't terrible anymore, but our guards aren't a long term solution either.

Well, this is true as long as Goff comes back from that injury... ahhh **** it. He's an improvement over Adrian Jones even if he lost a ****ing leg.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by EyePod

Well, this is true as long as Goff comes back from that injury... ahhh **** it. He's an improvement over Adrian Jones even if he lost a ****ing leg.

Exactly.

I don't think people realize that we could have line up NOBODY at RG last season and it would have been an improvement over Jones.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Delano

At this point it's quite easy to see the philosophy of building your team through special teams and each unit (offense and defense) from the lines out.

I think Pioli and Haley feel better about the O-line than most of us.

I'll go on record and say they're arrogant and nuts.

That O-line completely sucks ass.

That's the same trap that Carl & Herm fell into in 2007.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll go on record and say they're arrogant and nuts.

That O-line completely sucks ass.

That's the same trap that Carl & Herm fell into in 1997.

They are? If i remember right, the 01 Pats teams didnt have the greatest offense but had strong special teams and a strong defense.

I remember them stealing a game in the playoffs that year from the Steelers on special teams alone.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

They are? If i remember right, the 01 Pats teams didnt have the greatest offense but had strong special teams and a strong defense.

I remember them stealing a game in the playoffs that year from the Steelers on special teams alone.

I have a hard time believing that an offensive line consisting of Sackintosh, Niswanger and Goff will be competing for a playoff spot.

Goff is 33, Sack is 32 and Niswanger is horrible center. Haley's also a first-time head coach.

And in 2001, the New England Patriots were 6th in the league in offensive points scored per game.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have a hard time believing that an offensive line consisting of Sackintosh, Niswanger and Goff will be competing for a playoff spot.

Goff is 33, Sack is 32 and Niswanger is horrible center. Haley's also a first-time head coach.

And in 2001, the New England Patriots were 6th in the league in offensive points scored per game.

I think you have Goff in the wrong category. When healthy he should be in the Albert and Waters category. I'm not saying hes great, but even at his age hes a big upgrade for the short term. Also Olinemen can usually play past 33.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have a hard time believing that an offensive line consisting of Sackintosh, Niswanger and Goff will be competing for a playoff spot.

Goff is 33, Sack is 32 and Niswanger is horrible center. Haley's also a first-time head coach.

And in 2001, the New England Patriots were 6th in the league in offensive points scored per game.

I dont think they will compete for a playoff spot this year. Rome wasnt built in a day.

Pioli and Bellicheks first year in NE they only won 5 games.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Good concept for an article, but it seemed really redundant. Our first picks were used to shore up our run defense; yeah, I picked up on that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I dont think they will compete for a playoff spot this year. Rome wasnt built in a day.

Pioli and Bellicheks first year in NE they only won 5 games.

Exactly.

We didn't draft 7 offensive linemen so it's the end of the world.

In Belichek's first year in New England, the offense actually DROPPED from 20th to 25th in scoring and from 18th to 22nd in yards.

They took Matt Light in the 2001 draft and he started at LT from Day 1. Coincidentally, they won a Super Bowl in his rookie season.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have a hard time believing that an offensive line consisting of Sackintosh, Niswanger and Goff will be competing for a playoff spot.

Goff is 33, Sack is 32 and Niswanger is horrible center. Haley's also a first-time head coach.

And in 2001, the New England Patriots were 6th in the league in offensive points scored per game.

I think Rudy is better than you are giving him credit for, but in all, Dane is spot on here. This was considered a very good/great year for drafting offensive linemen, but we didn't, other than a stretch for a MU tackle and an undersized Duke dude in free agency. (And I still don't get why we didn't pick up more guys in free agency to compete on the offensive line. If I was GM, my first call would have been to BYU to talk to the three senior offensive lineman that were available right after the draft. Also, we seemed to miss the boat on some quality linebackers in free agency, although the guy from Maine looks like a player.)

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll go on record and say they're arrogant and nuts.

That O-line completely sucks ass.

That's the same trap that Carl & Herm fell into in 1997.

honestly, I'm in the wait and see camp due to this is Pioli's first year and didn't have "his" scouts. 2011-12 season will be the year to judge his competency.