Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's just your opinion. I think it's a lot closer than you would believe.

Jackson carries much higher positional value than Unger. And Sanchez is not a lock to succeed, while Cassel is not a lock to bust.

But essentially, that's the draft duo we're talking about here. Frankly, I still don't understand why people are so tough on Cassel. Yes, he has Moss and Welker, but I don't remember people saying that Palmer was effective because he had Chad Johnson/Housh, or Big Ben only won his first Super Bowl because he had Hines Ward/Burress. And if you watch tape of games, you will see that NE's line is not nearly as good as advertised--they are only as good as they are because Brady is really that good.

I can understand that Cassel makes you nervous. I'm uncertain about him too. But you have to admit that the critics are harsher than they should be. I know you've said he's going to be a game manager, but what leads you to believe that? What does he have that Sanchez doesn't? He's got a hell of a work ethic, above average arm strength, accuracy, and mobility, flawless mechanics, and great leadership. Yes, Sanchez has slightly better upside, but he also has a lot more downside risk. I can understand that there's doubt about Cassel, but I think people make arguments for him that they would never make for first round picks. Just my opinion.

I honestly think it stems from the fact that most of the people you're talking about didn't want Cassel and did want Sanchez.

Like I said before, I think it's going to be very, very hard for Cassel to ever be much in some people's minds because they've set the bar high enough the won't ever be wrong.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

I honestly think it stems from the fact that most of the people you're talking about didn't want Cassel and did want Sanchez.

Like I said before, I think it's going to be very, very hard for Cassel to ever be much in some people's minds because they've set the bar high enough the won't ever be wrong.

I hope that Cassel succeeds. Absolutely.

But if the decision were up to ME (and it's clearly not), I would have chosen Sanchez/Unger over Jackson/Cassel.

I've posted "my" mock draft in the draft forum. It would have address every need on the offensive line, TE, WR, K and most importantly, QB. We would have had an offense that would grow together for the next 5 years and beyond (with Bowe, Charles, Albert & Cottam).

That's not how it worked out. I'm not "bitching" about it. I'm voicing my opinion.

After all, that's what this forum is for; voicing our opinions.

Unless somehow I missed the memo after Pioli was hired and we're all now supposed to fall in line like a bunch of lemmings.

And even then, I'd voice my opinion

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unless somehow I missed the memo after Pioli was hired and we're all now supposed to fall in line like a bunch of lemmings.

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.

I'm referring to what's happened over the course of the past few months since Pioli's been hired.

Not the entire history of Chiefsplanet.

And while I agree it's been controlled by the "negative crowd", I think that has more to do with folks being tired of Carl Peterson's never-ending regime than with the actual players and coaches.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm referring to what's happened over the course of the past few months since Pioli's been hired.

Not the entire history of Chiefsplanet.

And while I agree it's been controlled by the "negative crowd", I think that has more to do with folks being tired of Carl Peterson's never-ending regime than with the actual players and coaches.

So was I. The last few weeks are utterly ironic, considering how this place used to be.

The pendulum swings back and forth - some day soon, negativity will once again rule the day.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

So have I. Most of the time, if you made any comment that wasn't blistering Carl (and I made plenty of those, too...), said any move was in any way positive based on what I thought of the move itself, it was go straight to "king carl lover" or "true fan" (okay, i don't think I've ever been called a true fan, so I exaggerate) do not pass go, do not collect 200 bucks.

Then, ironically, in the last year or two, the latter half of the Hermpocalypse, if I said anything negative I was labeled a Carl basher.

I'm so confused.

People love their sweeping generalizations, I guess.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

People love their sweeping generalizations, I guess.

I don't know how I put up with all you dumbasses for almost 10 years.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hope that Cassel succeeds. Absolutely.

But if the decision were up to ME (and it's clearly not), I would have chosen Sanchez/Unger over Jackson/Cassel.

I've posted "my" mock draft in the draft forum. It would have address every need on the offensive line, TE, WR, K and most importantly, QB. We would have had an offense that would grow together for the next 5 years and beyond (with Bowe, Charles, Albert & Cottam).

That's not how it worked out. I'm not "bitching" about it. I'm voicing my opinion.

After all, that's what this forum is for; voicing our opinions.

Unless somehow I missed the memo after Pioli was hired and we're all now supposed to fall in line like a bunch of lemmings.

And even then, I'd voice my opinion

Between your "not bitching" opinions about EVERYTHING, Hamas striking Pioli out constantly, and Mecca, with his irrefutable draft board, it's little wonder that all you're left to relate to on this board is that ****ing idiot DCS. You are solidly a moron of the highest order, and most people on here laugh at your attempts to be condecending to folks you're not remotely as intelligent as.

It's a shame daddies money kept you from getting the proper beatdown you richly needed, and I'm sure, deserved as a young man. Maybe that way you would have grown to be a real man, instead of the sniveling little pussy you are today. What a joke.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Between your "not bitching" opinions about EVERYTHING, Hamas striking Pioli out constantly, and Mecca, with his irrefutable draft board, it's little wonder that all you're left to relate to on this board is that ****ing idiot DCS. You are solidly a moron of the highest order, and most people on here laugh at your attempts to be condecending to folks you're not remotely as intelligent as.

It's a shame daddies money kept you from getting the proper beatdown you richly needed, and I'm sure, deserved as a young man. Maybe that way you would have grown to be a real man, instead of the sniveling little pussy you are today. What a joke.

Nice attempt at sounding tough. Take off the clownshoes.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Nice attempt at sounding tough. Take off the clownshoes.

Frankly, I'm shocked that YOU would come running to the rescue of a putz like Dane. Shocked I tell you.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Frankly, I'm shocked that YOU would come running to the rescue of a putz like Dane. Shocked I tell you.

I'm not so much defending Dane as I am just disliking a post of yours. That happens a lot, btw. You're a Godawful poster.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not so much defending Dane as I am just disliking a post of yours. That happens a lot, btw. You're a Godawful poster.

You're constantly defending the honor of Mecca, Dane, Hamas, OTWP and the like. That really makes you a wonderful poster, and an asset to the board. Sorry you never took up thinking for yourself. If you did, you may find that people are willing to listen to what you have to say. But if hanging with the "cool kids" is your thing, go with it. Just don't deny being an apologist for the assholes on this board. That just makes you look stupid.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Frankly, I'm shocked that YOU would come running to the rescue of a putz like Dane. Shocked I tell you.

Internet tough guys are cool.