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[Chiefnj2]

IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Go walk into a burning aids tree.

This might have become trite because of overuse, but one has to admit...it's funny.

Sometimes, and this isn't directed at you, people need to lighten the **** up. It's only an intraweb comment...

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This might have become trite because of overuse, but one has to admit...it's funny.

Sometimes, and this isn't directed at you, people need to lighten the **** up. It's only an intraweb comment...

But the problem is that people like Dane and Hamas used it to shut down almost any conversation and it was followed by a heaping of insults. If you really step outside of being someone who was in the Sanchez camp and look at most of the conversations, most anyone who threw out a different option for a pick was met with this immediately as well as being called reeruned, true fans, jokes about "Jesus Curry" over and over and over...

To me it's not about the insults necessarily, but more that this place became completely impossible to have an actual football discussion, not because of the n00bs, but because of the intolerance of a few posters to allow ANY other alternatives to their ideas. And most of those threads turned into the same circle jerk where a bunch of people were saying the same dumb phrases over and over again and making each other laugh. It's ironic, because some of the best "football people" according to many on the board, would refuse to actually have a football discussion because of the whole game that was going on all offseason with "true fans."


And with Mecca, come on. He repeatedly would start a thread just FOR controversy. Starting threads like "Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the #3 pick," when EVERY thread for the past three months was a debate about that very subject. He would start threads like this and immediately bash anyone who offered up an opinion. What's the point, unless you just like to stir up controversy? That's Mecca's game, and now he is upset because people are playing it? And FWIW, if you look at most of the times he gets sensitive, it's someone disagreeing with him on a take on a certain player, and he says something like, "Are you trying to make me mad." or "Oh, you must just be another person that wants to disagree with me." or a slew of other phrases that we've all seen over and over again when someone simply disagrees with him on a player's value. As if people actually give a shit about making Mecca mad when it comes to liking or disliking a player/prospect. Who does he think he is, really? I'm going to like or dislike a player out of spite for Mecca? The fact is, HE turned every thread into something about him if you really follow it.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by doomy3

But the problem is that people like Dane and Hamas used it to shut down almost any conversation and it was followed by a heaping of insults. If you really step outside of being someone who was in the Sanchez camp and look at most of the conversations, most anyone who threw out a different option for a pick was met with this immediately as well as being called reeruned, true fans, jokes about "Jesus Curry" over and over and over...

To me it's not about the insults necessarily, but more that this place became completely impossible to have an actual football discussion, not because of the n00bs, but because of the intolerance of a few posters to allow ANY other alternatives to their ideas. And most of those threads turned into the same circle jerk where a bunch of people were saying the same dumb phrases over and over again and making each other laugh. It's ironic, because some of the best "football people" according to many on the board, would refuse to actually have a football discussion because of the whole game that was going on all offseason with "true fans."


And with Mecca, come on. He repeatedly would start a thread just FOR controversy. Starting threads like "Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the #3 pick," when EVERY thread for the past three months was a debate about that very subject. He would start threads like this and immediately bash anyone who offered up an opinion. What's the point, unless you just like to stir up controversy? That's Mecca's game, and now he is upset because people are playing it? And FWIW, if you look at most of the times he gets sensitive, it's someone disagreeing with him on a take on a certain player, and he says something like, "Are you trying to make me mad." or "Oh, you must just be another person that wants to disagree with me." or a slew of other phrases that we've all seen over and over again when someone simply disagrees with him on a player's value. As if people actually give a shit about making Mecca mad when it comes to liking or disliking a player/prospect. Who does he think he is, really? I'm going to like or dislike a player out of spite for Mecca? The fact is, HE turned every thread into something about him if you really follow it.

I hear what you're saying, man. I do. And you're right that most of the discussions around draft time degenerated into pissing contests.

To a certain extent,some of that is predicated on the fact that we discussed the shit out of every small detail to the point of exhaustion. People become unnecessarily entrenched in their positions, and thus the insults could fly because, well, there was little else left to do.

I firmly believe--(read: know for a fact) that all of the posters you've mentioned--Dane, Mecca, etc.--are good dudes and willing to engage in high-level argumentation, the kind of stuff that makes this board fun. And they'll be respectful of your disagreement.

But I'm sure we'll disagree on the following, which I do believe is the root problem: Some of the n00bs have changed the overall tenor of this place. And some very strong posters, such as yourself, have accidentally been lumped with those with whom you don't belong. The resulting tension between n00b and vet has been such that knee-jerk reactions have been the norm.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I hear what you're saying, man. I do. And you're right that most of the discussions around draft time degenerated into pissing contests.

To a certain extent,some of that is predicated on the fact that we discussed the shit out of every small detail to the point of exhaustion. People become unnecessarily entrenched in their positions, and thus the insults could fly because, well, there was little else left to do.

I firmly believe--(read: know for a fact) that all of the posters you've mentioned--Dane, Mecca, etc.--are good dudes and willing to engage in high-level argumentation, the kind of stuff that makes this board fun. And they'll be respectful of your disagreement.

But I'm sure we'll disagree on the following, which I do believe is the root problem: Some of the n00bs have changed the overall tenor of this place. And some very strong posters, such as yourself, have accidentally been lumped with those with whom you don't belong. The resulting tension between n00b and vet has been such that knee-jerk reactions have been the norm.

I fully agree with this. That's why I mentioned the part about Mecca starting threads about subjects that had been discussed to death and resulted in arguments every time. He repeatedly started those threads for controversy, taking backhanded shots at anyone who didn't share his views in the process, and then acted surprised if anyone took a shot at him. Seriously, now he is some sort of victim? I can't believe smart posters don't see this. I realize many people agreed with his player takes, which is fine, but I don't know how anyone could defend his posting style.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I fully agree with this. That's why I mentioned the part about Mecca starting threads about subjects that had been discussed to death and resulted in arguments every time. He repeatedly started those threads for controversy, taking backhanded shots at anyone who didn't share his views in the process, and then acted surprised if anyone took a shot at him. Seriously, now he is some sort of victim? I can't believe smart posters don't see this. I realize many people agreed with his player takes, which is fine, but I don't know how anyone could defend his posting style.

We don't disagree on anything here.

There are no victims, generally speaking, on CP.

That said, some of the posters put forth more personal information than others, and, inevitably, it's used as ammo against them. That's why you're seeing a bit more defense of Mecca, I believe, because some of the shit he takes hits close to home, literally.

These comments inspire the type of pathos that recipients of comments like, "You're a ****ing moron." something generic, won't get.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We don't disagree on anything here.

There are no victims, generally speaking, on CP.

That said, some of the posters put forth more personal information than others, and, inevitably, it's used as ammo against them. That's why you're seeing a bit more defense of Mecca, I believe, because some of the shit he takes hits close to home, literally.

These comments inspire the type of pathos that recipients of comments like, "You're a ****ing moron." something generic, won't get.

I thought the attacks on Mecca about where he lives and what he does for work were out of bounds and I mentioned that in the thread I saw them made in. I'm with you 100% on this.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We don't disagree on anything here.

There are no victims, generally speaking, on CP.

That said, some of the posters put forth more personal information than others, and, inevitably, it's used as ammo against them. That's why you're seeing a bit more defense of Mecca, I believe, because some of the shit he takes hits close to home, literally.

These comments inspire the type of pathos that recipients of comments like, "You're a ****ing moron." something generic, won't get.

Yeah, I don't like that shit at all. No need for it. However, Claythan has received that same treatment for years now, and I haven't seen people jumping to his defense. Not to mention, I have seen many, including Dane and Hamas take shots at people like JASONSAUTO about being a mechanic and such. That stuff happens.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."

Go outside in the fall, set up a telescope, and observe a burning AidsMeteor shower.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."

WTF?

Show me ONE TIME that someone on ANY forum here was banned due to name calling.

Christ, this place is so loosely moderated that people get away with ethnic slurs and racial remarks.

You want moderation, head over to WPI where they ban you for having a differing opinion.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

WTF?

Show me ONE TIME that someone on ANY forum here was banned due to name calling.

Christ, this place is so loosely moderated that people get away with ethnic slurs and racial remarks.

You want moderation, head over to WPI where they ban you for having a differing opinion.

Don't get so defensive. I just gave my opinion. Draft threads quickly degenerated into name calling where there was often very little, if any, actual discussion of relevant points.