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Old 05-20-2009, 03:01 PM   #1
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Jilly, he is rough, but he is right. Thomas was fairly one-dimensional. All he could do was rush the passer. The Chiefs yanked him off the field in the AFC Championship game once because the Bills were running right at him.
He's right that you CAN be great even if one dimensional, but usually the path to greatness is alot easier if you're really damn good at everything.

That's especially true of front 7 defensive players. To be considered great, you should be great at both. If not, then you really better be about the best EVER at whatever it is you're great at, to balance off being average at the rest.

And I wouldn't take DT as the best ever front 7 player. Not even close. And taht's one reason why.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:29 PM   #2
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Like the thread says, Sapp couldn't play 3-4 DE. He's going to the HOF.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:29 PM   #3
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I gotta go with milkman. You don't NECESSARILY have to be versatile to be great.

Most QBs stick with one system. IIRC, Joe Montana was WCO only, and it doesn't preclude him from being great.

You do have a point that versatility can make one great, like Adalius Thomas, who I would argue would not be great without the versatility, but it is not a requirement.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:30 PM   #4
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:31 PM   #5
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I suppose you can be GREAT at ONE thing.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:35 PM   #6
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No. You'd have to pick a certain position and defensive scheme.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:32 PM   #7
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LT and DT had one skill. And it was good enough to make them HoFers and all time greats.

Michael Vick and Vince Young have one skill, and it isn't nearly enough to make them even good.

So it depends on the player. Rare players are good enough to dominate just by doing one thing extremely well. Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?
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Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?
No I do not.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:37 PM   #9
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Me neither. So to Jilly's original point... There's no sense building a defense around him. He may be way above average in a 4-3, but A) we don't know, and B) if the coach believes in some form of 3-4, why wait and see with a guy like that? BTW, all this is coming from a huge Dorsey fan.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:51 PM   #10
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Me neither. So to Jilly's original point... There's no sense building a defense around him. He may be way above average in a 4-3, but A) we don't know, and B) if the coach believes in some form of 3-4, why wait and see with a guy like that? BTW, all this is coming from a huge Dorsey fan.
I agree. Wholeheartedly.

However it is disappointing that we spent an 5 overall pick on a guy that "may" be "OK" in our system.

Honestly, I hope the **** he becomes a BAMF. We don't have enough of those. But I have tempered enthusiasm.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:54 PM   #11
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I agree. Wholeheartedly.

However it is disappointing that we spent an 5 overall pick on a guy that "may" be "OK" in our system.

Honestly, I hope the **** he becomes a BAMF. We don't have enough of those. But I have tempered enthusiasm.
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I hope so, too.
I love the guy. I've seen him do too many good things, in college, and even last year, to give up on him. But it seems he will become a fringe guy, stats-wise.

Plus, he seems like a GREAT guy. A good guy to have on the team.
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LT and DT had one skill. And it was good enough to make them HoFers and all time greats.
LT had one skill? You're wrong. LT was extremely good against the run also.

BB showed film one of LT showing how great he was at a number of things. One clip I remember in particular is him flattening out down the LOS and tackling the RB before he slipped through the hole htat had been created for him on the RIGHT side of the offense (when LT played on the offensive left).

DT had one skill. LT was by far the better player, because he was as good at rushing the passer, and was also very good at everything else. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.

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This part I agree with.
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e. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.
It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
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It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
It isnt homeristic.
Bobby Bell was a better player.

Most forget how great he really was.
The most complete LB ever.
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It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
Just a little homerish I would say.
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