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Old 05-19-2009, 01:32 PM   #1
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LT and DT had one skill. And it was good enough to make them HoFers and all time greats.

Michael Vick and Vince Young have one skill, and it isn't nearly enough to make them even good.

So it depends on the player. Rare players are good enough to dominate just by doing one thing extremely well. Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:33 PM   #2
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Anyone wanna argue that Dorsey is one of those rare athletes?
No I do not.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:37 PM   #3
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Me neither. So to Jilly's original point... There's no sense building a defense around him. He may be way above average in a 4-3, but A) we don't know, and B) if the coach believes in some form of 3-4, why wait and see with a guy like that? BTW, all this is coming from a huge Dorsey fan.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:51 PM   #4
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Me neither. So to Jilly's original point... There's no sense building a defense around him. He may be way above average in a 4-3, but A) we don't know, and B) if the coach believes in some form of 3-4, why wait and see with a guy like that? BTW, all this is coming from a huge Dorsey fan.
I agree. Wholeheartedly.

However it is disappointing that we spent an 5 overall pick on a guy that "may" be "OK" in our system.

Honestly, I hope the **** he becomes a BAMF. We don't have enough of those. But I have tempered enthusiasm.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:54 PM   #5
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I agree. Wholeheartedly.

However it is disappointing that we spent an 5 overall pick on a guy that "may" be "OK" in our system.

Honestly, I hope the **** he becomes a BAMF. We don't have enough of those. But I have tempered enthusiasm.
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I hope so, too.
I love the guy. I've seen him do too many good things, in college, and even last year, to give up on him. But it seems he will become a fringe guy, stats-wise.

Plus, he seems like a GREAT guy. A good guy to have on the team.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:10 PM   #6
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LT and DT had one skill. And it was good enough to make them HoFers and all time greats.
LT had one skill? You're wrong. LT was extremely good against the run also.

BB showed film one of LT showing how great he was at a number of things. One clip I remember in particular is him flattening out down the LOS and tackling the RB before he slipped through the hole htat had been created for him on the RIGHT side of the offense (when LT played on the offensive left).

DT had one skill. LT was by far the better player, because he was as good at rushing the passer, and was also very good at everything else. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.

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This part I agree with.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:32 PM   #7
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e. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.
It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:44 PM   #8
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It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
It isnt homeristic.
Bobby Bell was a better player.

Most forget how great he really was.
The most complete LB ever.
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It may sound a little "homerish" but that designation could go to Bobby Bell the 1st LT.
Just a little homerish I would say.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:57 PM   #10
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Just a little homerish I would say.
No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.
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No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.
Put Bell on a mega-market team in the comparatively media-saturated 80s and he'd have been as big as LT.
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No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.
I won't pretend that I'm old enough to have seen him play, but I haven't heard him listed at the very top of linebackers in most "all time" NFL teams and the like.
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I won't pretend that I'm old enough to have seen him play, but I haven't heard him listed at the very top of linebackers in most "all time" NFL teams and the like.
Because he was in the AFL for much of his career and was overshadowed by one of the very best MLBs to ever play the game in Willie Lanier.

If, however, sacks had been a stat in his day, and he had been used in the same way as LT, then he would have been the one overshadowing Willie, and I say this as the biggest Willie Lanier fan on this board, my favorite all time player.

But the fact is, having watched both, if I had to choose between Bobby Bell or LT to build around, I'm takin Bobby, and it wouldn't take me more than a second to decide.
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LT had one skill? You're wrong. LT was extremely good against the run also.

BB showed film one of LT showing how great he was at a number of things. One clip I remember in particular is him flattening out down the LOS and tackling the RB before he slipped through the hole htat had been created for him on the RIGHT side of the offense (when LT played on the offensive left).

DT had one skill. LT was by far the better player, because he was as good at rushing the passer, and was also very good at everything else. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.



This part I agree with.
I'll defer to you on that. I didn't have nearly the exposure to LT as DT.
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