Chiefs Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves - Page 33

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 12:01 PM

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

**SAUTO** · 05-18-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The only thing I'll say is the complete 180 that happened around here after that trade still puzzles me, the overwhelming majority did not want him.

the overwhelming majority didnt want him for OUR #3 PICK. that was the question in the thread. you should have asked if they wanted him for the #34 WITH vrabel. THEN you would have a basis for this

htismaqe · 05-18-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The only thing I'll say is the complete 180 that happened around here after that trade still puzzles me, the overwhelming majority did not want him.

For the #3 pick.

There's nothing puzzling about it unless you're being deliberately obstinate.

htismaqe · 05-18-2009, 08:40 AM

And the circle jerk continues.

Moving the goalposts again.

Mecca said Parcells TREE, but MEANT "someone who coached under Parcells" so that Dmitroff can't be included.

This place has become a MOCKERY of what it used to be.

htismaqe · 05-18-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Out of context?

JFC.

I'll ask again, WHERE and WHEN did Dimitroff work with Parcells?

He said Parcells TREE.

Nothing more plain about it. If you can't win the game, change the rules at halftime.

htismaqe · 05-18-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, you don't.

Why does EVERY conversation that you're involved in end up like this? Whether it's me, Mecca, OTWP58 or anyone else? It all ends up in a stupid, semantic argument that in the long run, doesn't mean jack-****ing-shit.

You must have a LOT of extra time on your hands.

Methinks you answered your own question.

Jilly · 05-18-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

um, we signed vets to hold us over for a year, we can't fix every problem at once...we aren't building the team around them...is that really hard to figure out?

and who cares what we're paying Cassel for 1 year?

What other choice did we really have anyway.....making some elaborate deal for Jay Cutler?

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-18-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

He said Parcells TREE.

Nothing more plain about it. If you can't win the game, change the rules at halftime.

You know what? I never thought I'd say this but you're a real ****ing asshole.

Seriously.

You're a ****ing asshole.

I don't care what Mecca said. I gave you guys a list of Thomas Dimitroff's employment and at NO time did he work with Bill Parcells. As a matter of fact, he was a scout in the CFL, World League and for several NFL teams over the course of nearly 13 years before being hired by the Patriots, where he worked for 6 years.

If YOU consider him to be part of the "Parcells tree" because he worked in New England for 6 years, you're a ****ing reerun. I guess Jeff Ireland (who worked with Parcells in Dallas and Miami) is REALLY a Carl Peterson guy because he got his start in KC under Carl? I mean, this game can go on and on and on.

And apparently, you want it to.

Go **** yourself.

Pablo · 05-18-2009, 10:39 AM

And there goes the name-calling and personal bashing that's ruining this place.

vailpass · 05-18-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

And there goes the name-calling and personal bashing that's ruining this place.

Shut the **** up noob.

Pablo · 05-18-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Shut the **** up noob.

O RLY?

I only hope some day I can amass nearly 9,000 posts over 8 years on a board for a team I don't even support.

vailpass · 05-18-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

O RLY?

I only hope some day I can amass nearly 9,000 posts over 8 years on a board for a team I don't even support.

I was making a funny. Please retract your scathing remarks before I go all Dane on your ass.

Pablo · 05-18-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I was making a funny. Please retract your scathing remarks before I go all Dane on your ass.

There are no funnies allowed in this thread.

Only anger and personal insults.

vailpass · 05-18-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

There are no funnies allowed in this thread.

Only anger and personal insults.

Now I'm pissed.**** you.

Pablo · 05-18-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Now I'm pissed.**** you.

And the attacks continue...this place is just full of unwarranted hatred. I think we all need to take a big break.

Mods..shut 'er down.

**Buehler445** · 05-18-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know what? I never thought I'd say this but you're a real ****ing asshole.

Seriously.

You're a ****ing asshole.

I don't care what Mecca said. I gave you guys a list of Thomas Dimitroff's employment and at NO time did he work with Bill Parcells. As a matter of fact, he was a scout in the CFL, World League and for several NFL teams over the course of nearly 13 years before being hired by the Patriots, where he worked for 6 years.

If YOU consider him to be part of the "Parcells tree" because he worked in New England for 6 years, you're a ****ing reerun. I guess Jeff Ireland (who worked with Parcells in Dallas and Miami) is REALLY a Carl Peterson guy because he got his start in KC under Carl? I mean, this game can go on and on and on.

And apparently, you want it to.

Go **** yourself.

In fairness, Dane, Htismaqe posted references from several establishments stating he is from the Parcells tree.

I don't give two ****s either way, but the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle.

He is probably generally associated with the Parcells way of doing things, but the comparison is notably weak and doesn't hold much water.

But like I said, I don't care either way.
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