Royals George Brett Rips on Jack Harry, Kevin Keitzman, and Roger Twibell - Page 11

Stewie · 05-18-2009, 05:28 PM

Just saw his interview about the local media's treatment of Hillman and the Royals. It was a tirade of expletives against the radio assholes who have no clue what they're talking about and spewing their venom. Rock on, George! Jack Harry is the biggest douche bag in the world with Kevin Keitzman holding the nozzle.

Titty Meat · 05-19-2009, 09:17 PM

No he's just a giant douche. Theres better people to look up to then some drunk who acts like an asshole to the public

chiefqueen · 05-19-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

George emphasized that the day CP was fired Jack Harry called it "The greatest sports day in Kansas City History". Which of course it was not.

He also emphasized that Harry had an axe to grind. ***Which he did. (He and Fortune were moved from the front of press row to the back when they pulled the Okoye story out of their collective asses)

**** This is no way to be deemed a defense of CP.

I saw it more of a warning shot to Harry in particalar, that he is not going to treat Moore or Hillman like he CP. Did Carl go too far during the 1990 season in his "punishment" of Harry and Fortune? Probably, but that doesn't excuse JacK for not letting his anger @ Carl go. IMO this became an addiction to Jack. When CP resigned he "fix" dried up. Jack is looking for a new "source" and it will be either Dayton or Trey IMO Jack just hasm't decided who it is yet.

IMO if George Brett really wants to help Trey and Dayton out, he needs to tell both men what went in KC in the summer/fall of 1990 re Jack Harry. They need to know what Harry is capable of doing.

**wazu** · 05-19-2009, 10:50 PM

Without reading through all of this, just want to report what I heard Brett say on 810 today talking to KK. He apologized for cussing, and stood by the remarks otherwise. Clearly was feeling bad about the whole thing. I could sense he felt he had spoiled an otherwise spotless reputation.

Keitzman was cool to him. Actually said (paraphrased), "you're George Brett! People in this town love you. If you were a classic car, this wouldn't equate to even a grocery store cart dent in your side!"

Brett said he wished he had been allowed a do-over before it was aired on T.V., and asked Keitzman if that's ever allowed by media. Keitzman's response: "Some guys will allow a do-over, but Jack Harry isn't one of them."

Brett ended by saying he has always worn his emotions on his sleeve, and obviously still has a high level of passion for the Royals' organization.

WilliamTheIrish · 05-20-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefqueen

I saw it more of a warning shot to Harry in particalar, that he is not going to treat Moore or Hillman like he CP. Did Carl go too far during the 1990 season in his "punishment" of Harry and Fortune? Probably, but that doesn't excuse JacK for not letting his anger @ Carl go. IMO this became an addiction to Jack. When CP resigned he "fix" dried up. Jack is looking for a new "source" and it will be either Dayton or Trey IMO Jack just hasm't decided who it is yet.

IMO if George Brett really wants to help Trey and Dayton out, he needs to tell both men what went in KC in the summer/fall of 1990 re Jack Harry. They need to know what Harry is capable of doing.

Those two asshats were completely out of line regarding that situation and deservd what they got. It was bush league journalism what they did to Okoye that summer and CP had every right to twist their arms.

That said, Harry never let it go nor did CP. So both of them are to blame in many ways.

tomahawk kid · 05-20-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefqueen

I saw it more of a warning shot to Harry in particalar, that he is not going to treat Moore or Hillman like he CP. Did Carl go too far during the 1990 season in his "punishment" of Harry and Fortune? Probably, but that doesn't excuse JacK for not letting his anger @ Carl go. IMO this became an addiction to Jack. When CP resigned he "fix" dried up. Jack is looking for a new "source" and it will be either Dayton or Trey IMO Jack just hasm't decided who it is yet.

IMO if George Brett really wants to help Trey and Dayton out, he needs to tell both men what went in KC in the summer/fall of 1990 re Jack Harry. They need to know what Harry is capable of doing.

What the hell did Carl do to Jack and Fortune anyway?

I don't think I've ever really gotten the fully story.

**Dartgod** · 05-20-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

What the hell did Carl do to Jack and Fortune anyway?

I don't think I've ever really gotten the fully story.

Yes, I'm curious about this myself.

Sure-Oz · 05-20-2009, 08:09 AM

No idea either i just know he tried to get Jack Harry and Don Fortune fired and they basically had their press passes revoked or something to that degree

blaise · 05-20-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Yes, I'm curious about this myself.

Wasn't it something like Okoye's newborn son died, and so he didn't go to training camp right away. And Jack and Fortune rode Okoye and said he was holding out in solidarity with some other players that were holding out?

Sure-Oz · 05-20-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise

Wasn't it something like Okoye's newborn son died, and so he didn't go to training camp right away. And Jack and Fortune rode Okoye and said he was holding out in solidarity with some other players that were holding out?

Forgot about the okoye thing...

i love my okoye invisible picture and autograph

Deberg_1990 · 05-20-2009, 08:46 AM

You knew it was inevitable. Whitlock chimes in and pounds on Harry, Keitzman and Twibell.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1206870.html

I love to cuss. Four-letter words roll off my tongue the way a basketball slipped off George Gervin’s fingertips inches from the rim.

So even miles away while on vacation, George Brett’s F-bomb rampage tickled my ears and caught my attention.

Please allow me to translate what the Hall of Fame third baseman truly meant when he called out Kevin Kietzman, Jack Harry, Roger Twibell and Dave Stewart for their criticism of Royals manager Trey Hillman.

People who are offended by swearing rarely understand the true meaning of a profanity-laced tirade. I don’t have this problem. Having grown up inside my dad’s neighborhood tavern, I learned at a young age that there are at least eight different ways to use the word motherF-bomb, and really only two of the eight uses are pejorative. (You can e-mail me if you want to know the eight different ways to use it.)

My point is, I know exactly what Brett was trying to say Monday at the Joe McGuff charity golf event. The key to translating a profanity-laced meltdown is to avoid focusing on what is said and pay careful attention to what isn’t said.

George Brett didn’t mention these three names — Joe Posnanski, Soren Petro and Danny Clinkscale. JoPo, Petro and Clinkscale have all been critical of Trey Hillman. Petro, who hosts a radio show on 810 WHB-AM, is arguably Hillman’s toughest critic. Clinkscale, Kietzman’s sidekick on WHB, regularly questions Hillman’s moves. And Posnanski, my colleague at The Star, has written a couple of columns this year tearing into Hillman.

Why were they left out of Brett’s rant?

I’d argue it’s because they’re highly informed about the Royals, attend numerous games, frequent the clubhouse and attempt to ascertain both sides of the story. They’re fair, and their criticism is authentic.

Kietzman, Harry and Twibell are clueless, and much of their conversation about the Royals comes from a very dishonest, self-serving place. It’s an attempt to grab ratings.

Even with the benefit of a map, compass, a pack of hunting dogs and GPS, Kietzman, Harry and Twibell couldn’t locate the locker-room facilities at Arrowhead Stadium, Kauffman Stadium, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State or Pembroke Hill High School.

They criticize from the safest distance possible. And they hit the airwaves and feign an insider’s knowledge.

Honestly, I find it all rather amusing. But I can see why it would eventually bother someone like George Brett. The guy loves the Royals. The team is just beginning to show signs of real life.

And Harry and Twibell grasp for relevancy by playing an insincere and cowardly game with Hillman’s every decision. It’s not really a game with Kietzman. It’s who he is.

Kietzman had Brett on the air Tuesday and, among other things, made a ridiculous analogy comparing Hillman’s task to what Kietzman’s high school “manager” faced leading Shawnee Mission Midwest to the 1972 Big School Championship. Brett, to his credit, did not laugh out loud. Kietzman finished his brown-nosing session by explaining that he just couldn’t figure out why the rest of the media don’t like good old Trey Hillman.

Brett — and I suspect Hillman, Dayton Moore and everyone else within the Royals’ organization — is OK with Hillman being ripped and grilled.

Brett would just prefer that Hillman’s most vocal critics be the journalists/broadcasters who spend time at the ballpark confronting Hillman face to face.

I give Brett credit for taking the time Tuesday to conduct interviews with Twibell and Kietzman. Brett refused to back down. He apologized for his profanity but stood by his message.

He’s too polite to properly translate, so I’ll summarize:

1. Harry is way past his prime with terrible TV ratings.

2. Kietzman is a talented but disingenuous opportunist.

3. Twibell is hoping he can fool Entercom into supporting his golf habit for another year.

Mojo Jojo · 05-20-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Those two asshats were completely out of line regarding that situation and deservd what they got. It was bush league journalism what they did to Okoye that summer and CP had every right to twist their arms.

That said, Harry never let it go nor did CP. So both of them are to blame in many ways.

Just a reminder is was Jack Harry and Gene Fox that did the story. Don was on vacation that week. During the story one of the two called Marty a liar, and that sent it over edge. Don and Carl did have run in's but the Okoye story was not one of them. Don called out Carl for taking away the free media travel on the team charters, and for getting rid of the pre game invocation.

Once the truth came about about the Okoye story, Jack and Gene couldn't recover. From then on it was Jack vs. Carl for 20 years.

Sure-Oz · 05-20-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Just a reminder is was Jack Harry and Gene Fox that did the story. Don was on vacation that week. During the story one of the two called Marty a liar, and that sent it over edge. Don and Carl did have run in's but the Okoye story was not one of them. Don called out Carl for taking away the free media travel on the team charters, and for getting rid of the pre game invocation.

Once the truth came about about the Okoye story, Jack and Gene couldn't recover. From then on it was Jack vs. Carl for 20 years.

Details of this story?

tomahawk kid · 05-20-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Just a reminder is was Jack Harry and Gene Fox that did the story. Don was on vacation that week. During the story one of the two called Marty a liar, and that sent it over edge. Don and Carl did have run in's but the Okoye story was not one of them. Don called out Carl for taking away the free media travel on the team charters, and for getting rid of the pre game invocation.

Once the truth came about about the Okoye story, Jack and Gene couldn't recover. From then on it was Jack vs. Carl for 20 years.

But the whole issue was that Okoye had a young child pass and Harry and the other guy tried to pass it off as he was holding out to force management to pay his teammates out new deals?

Sure-Oz · 05-20-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

But the whole issue was that Okoye had a young child pass and Harry and the other guy tried to pass it off as he was holding out to force management to pay his teammates out new deals?

Did they ever apologize for it?

Mojo Jojo · 05-20-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

But the whole issue was that Okoye had a young child pass and Harry and the other guy tried to pass it off as he was holding out to force management to pay his teammates out new deals?

Christian had this whole I'm waiting to get married before sex story. Well he wasn't yet married and his wife to be had a miscarriage. Carl and Marty wanted to protect their guy. Jack and Gene made up a story and got busted.

05-18-2009, 05:28 PM
Stewie MVP Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West of the Equator Casino cash: $-1880099	George Brett Rips on Jack Harry, Kevin Keitzman, and Roger Twibell Just saw his interview about the local media's treatment of Hillman and the Royals. It was a tirade of expletives against the radio assholes who have no clue what they're talking about and spewing their venom. Rock on, George! Jack Harry is the biggest douche bag in the world with Kevin Keitzman holding the nozzle.
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05-19-2009, 09:17 PM	#151
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05-19-2009, 10:50 PM	#153
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1757705 VARSITY	Without reading through all of this, just want to report what I heard Brett say on 810 today talking to KK. He apologized for cussing, and stood by the remarks otherwise. Clearly was feeling bad about the whole thing. I could sense he felt he had spoiled an otherwise spotless reputation. Keitzman was cool to him. Actually said (paraphrased), "you're George Brett! People in this town love you. If you were a classic car, this wouldn't equate to even a grocery store cart dent in your side!" Brett said he wished he had been allowed a do-over before it was aired on T.V., and asked Keitzman if that's ever allowed by media. Keitzman's response: "Some guys will allow a do-over, but Jack Harry isn't one of them." Brett ended by saying he has always worn his emotions on his sleeve, and obviously still has a high level of passion for the Royals' organization.
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05-20-2009, 08:46 AM	#160
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $44454	You knew it was inevitable. Whitlock chimes in and pounds on Harry, Keitzman and Twibell. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1206870.html I love to cuss. Four-letter words roll off my tongue the way a basketball slipped off George Gervin’s fingertips inches from the rim. So even miles away while on vacation, George Brett’s F-bomb rampage tickled my ears and caught my attention. Please allow me to translate what the Hall of Fame third baseman truly meant when he called out Kevin Kietzman, Jack Harry, Roger Twibell and Dave Stewart for their criticism of Royals manager Trey Hillman. People who are offended by swearing rarely understand the true meaning of a profanity-laced tirade. I don’t have this problem. Having grown up inside my dad’s neighborhood tavern, I learned at a young age that there are at least eight different ways to use the word motherF-bomb, and really only two of the eight uses are pejorative. (You can e-mail me if you want to know the eight different ways to use it.) My point is, I know exactly what Brett was trying to say Monday at the Joe McGuff charity golf event. The key to translating a profanity-laced meltdown is to avoid focusing on what is said and pay careful attention to what isn’t said. George Brett didn’t mention these three names — Joe Posnanski, Soren Petro and Danny Clinkscale. JoPo, Petro and Clinkscale have all been critical of Trey Hillman. Petro, who hosts a radio show on 810 WHB-AM, is arguably Hillman’s toughest critic. Clinkscale, Kietzman’s sidekick on WHB, regularly questions Hillman’s moves. And Posnanski, my colleague at The Star, has written a couple of columns this year tearing into Hillman. Why were they left out of Brett’s rant? I’d argue it’s because they’re highly informed about the Royals, attend numerous games, frequent the clubhouse and attempt to ascertain both sides of the story. They’re fair, and their criticism is authentic. Kietzman, Harry and Twibell are clueless, and much of their conversation about the Royals comes from a very dishonest, self-serving place. It’s an attempt to grab ratings. Even with the benefit of a map, compass, a pack of hunting dogs and GPS, Kietzman, Harry and Twibell couldn’t locate the locker-room facilities at Arrowhead Stadium, Kauffman Stadium, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State or Pembroke Hill High School. They criticize from the safest distance possible. And they hit the airwaves and feign an insider’s knowledge. Honestly, I find it all rather amusing. But I can see why it would eventually bother someone like George Brett. The guy loves the Royals. The team is just beginning to show signs of real life. And Harry and Twibell grasp for relevancy by playing an insincere and cowardly game with Hillman’s every decision. It’s not really a game with Kietzman. It’s who he is. Kietzman had Brett on the air Tuesday and, among other things, made a ridiculous analogy comparing Hillman’s task to what Kietzman’s high school “manager” faced leading Shawnee Mission Midwest to the 1972 Big School Championship. Brett, to his credit, did not laugh out loud. Kietzman finished his brown-nosing session by explaining that he just couldn’t figure out why the rest of the media don’t like good old Trey Hillman. Brett — and I suspect Hillman, Dayton Moore and everyone else within the Royals’ organization — is OK with Hillman being ripped and grilled. Brett would just prefer that Hillman’s most vocal critics be the journalists/broadcasters who spend time at the ballpark confronting Hillman face to face. I give Brett credit for taking the time Tuesday to conduct interviews with Twibell and Kietzman. Brett refused to back down. He apologized for his profanity but stood by his message. He’s too polite to properly translate, so I’ll summarize: 1. Harry is way past his prime with terrible TV ratings. 2. Kietzman is a talented but disingenuous opportunist. 3. Twibell is hoping he can fool Entercom into supporting his golf habit for another year.
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