Football "Kyle Orton is for real"

Quesadilla Joe · 06-25-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So then what you're saying is that before the Broncos even traded for Kyle Orton.....you were singing his praises....right? You thought he was this GOD of a QB when he was on the Bears.....right?

I thought Orton sucked when we first got him. I didn't know how well he played the first half of last season though.

I think Orton is good enough to win games and won't hurt our team. He should be better than ever with the offensive line, RB's, and WR's we have here.

Just Passin' By · 06-25-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

...I think Orton is good enough to win games and won't hurt our team. He should be better than ever with the offensive line, RB's, and WR's we have here.

That might be true and, for your team's sake, it had better be true. But that's a far cry from "has the skillsets Tom Brady has". As I said before, The taller you make the hill, the longer the drop to the bottom. Going to the hated rival's message board and pimping a player who's been in the bottom tier of NFL QBs to this point in his career by attaching him to the best QB in the game is really not a particularly smart approach to things.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-25-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That might be true and, for your team's sake, it had better be true. But that's a far cry from "has the skillsets Tom Brady has". As I said before, The taller you make the hill, the longer the drop to the bottom. Going to the hated rival's message board and pimping a player who's been in the bottom tier of NFL QBs to this point in his career by attaching him to the best QB in the game is really not a particularly smart approach to things.

Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.

Mile High Mania · 06-25-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.

You know the quote...

Kerberos · 06-25-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

You know the quote...

Stupid is as KnowMo says?

chiefzilla1501 · 06-25-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.

You're an idiot.

A healthy Brady is neck-and-neck with Peyton and head-and-shoulders above everyone else after that.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-25-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tom Brady is overrated.

listopencil · 06-25-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.

Dude. C'mon. Seriously.

wasi · 06-25-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I thought Orton sucked when we first got him. I didn't know how well he played the first half of last season though.

I think Orton is good enough to win games and won't hurt our team. He should be better than ever with the offensive line, RB's, and WR's we have here.

In my view, the biggest flaw in your assessment of Orton is the fact that he was able to play, and thrive, in a relatively conservative offensive playcalling system because of the Bears defense. The philosophy of that team was such and the gameplane was not to put the game on the shoulders of the QB.

Unfortunately, Orton's success in Chicago doesn't correlate to Denver because in Denver your not going to playing in the same types of games simply because of the lack of defense. Barred some miracle that Denver might actually be able to stop someone on defense, more of the teams success is going to be put on Orton than it ever was in Chicago. This is where he will fail, because he is limited athletically. McDaniels probably recognizes this because he's signed and drafted all those RB's.

Mile High Mania · 06-25-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi

In my view, the biggest flaw in your assessment of Orton is the fact that he was able to play, and thrive, in a relatively conservative offensive playcalling system because of the Bears defense. The philosophy of that team was such and the gameplane was not to put the game on the shoulders of the QB.

Unfortunately, Orton's success in Chicago doesn't correlate to Denver because in Denver your not going to playing in the same types of games simply because of the lack of defense. Barred some miracle that Denver might actually be able to stop someone on defense, more of the teams success is going to be put on Orton than it ever was in Chicago. This is where he will fail, because he is limited athletically. McDaniels probably recognizes this because he's signed and drafted all those RB's.

Totally agree on the defense aspect... however, I don't see the Denver offense being totally dependent upon Orton. There's a reason they drafted Moreno and piled up guys like Jordan and Buckhalter in the offseason. It's not going to be pass happy crazy like it was in 2008.

Will Orton's role be increased compared to the caretaker role he played in Chicago? Most certainly.

Will Denver's defense put them in situations where they will have to abandon the run and play catch-up? Oh yeah... the only thing that I can say is that (with Marshall) and the other weapons, he has a better chance at being successful in that role compared to anything he had in Chicago when those situations came up.

wasi · 06-25-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Totally agree on the defense aspect... however, I don't see the Denver offense being totally dependent upon Orton. There's a reason they drafted Moreno and piled up guys like Jordan and Buckhalter in the offseason. It's not going to be pass happy crazy like it was in 2008.

Will Orton's role be increased compared to the caretaker role he played in Chicago? Most certainly.

Will Denver's defense put them in situations where they will have to abandon the run and play catch-up? Oh yeah... the only thing that I can say is that (with Marshall) and the other weapons, he has a better chance at being successful in that role compared to anything he had in Chicago when those situations came up.

It'll definitely be an interesting thing to watch if he can pull it off.