Trent takes a stab at MMQ

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

Thigpen,Huard and Croyle threw for 3100 yrds last year with Herm Edwards in control. Unless our defense improves dramatically, we will be throwing the ball a ton and Cassel could get 4000.

And, not to be unpleasant, but your defense is, erm, "in flux", which could result in alot of passing to keep up or catch up.

[Kerberos]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And, not to be unpleasant, but your defense is, erm, "in flux", which could result in alot of passing to keep up or catch up.

Should read as follows:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And, not to be unpleasant, but your defense is, because of H-erm, "in flux"= THEY SUCK, which WILL result in alot of passing to keep up or catch up.

FYP

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And, not to be unpleasant, but your defense is, erm, "in flux", which could result in alot of passing to keep up or catch up.

Im still thinking a season for the Chiefs like a 5-11 2000 Patriots "in flux" year.

What do you think?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Im still thinking a season for the Chiefs like a 5-11 2000 Patriots "in flux" year.

What do you think?

I posted this before, back when SP got signed by you guys.

There is no good way to compare, in my opinion, the Patriots in 2000 when BB was hired to the 2009 Chiefs with SP/Haley. There are, in my opinion, very significant differences:

1. Recent playoff/SB appearances. The Patriots in 2000 were coming off years as follows: 11-5 (SB loss), 10-6, 9-7, 8-8. What you had was a core of solid veterans (some of whom were overpaid, to be sure), with extensive playoff and SB experience. Guys like McGinest, Bledsoe, Milloy, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi were already there. Not All Pros, but sometime Pro Bowlers who had some playoff reps.

2. Age/Cap. We had an aging core of veterans, some of whom were very overpaid, and as a result we had significant cap problems and not enough talented youth. The 1997-1999 drafts were epic examples of horrible drafts for teh Patriots. The Chiefs, meanwhile, lack much seasoning, and are waaay under the cap.


But yes, I think it's usually a good thing for a fresh start to occur, and to expect a 5-10 type season with new coaches and a new system being installed, etc.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Im still thinking a season for the Chiefs like a 5-11 2000 Patriots "in flux" year.

What do you think?

I'm not Amnorix, but... IMO it's too hard to tell until you see what the defense looks like trying to run the 3-4. How will the players who are being moved adjust to it? Will Vrabel make a contribution? How fast will the rookies and FAs come along?

Looking at the schedule, it's not an easy start, either. Aside from the Oakland game in week two, the first seven weeks are killer (at the Ravens, at Philly, Giants in Arrowhead, Cowboys in Arrowhead, a bit of a breather at Washington, then San Diego comes in). That could easily be a 1-4 or 2-5 start, so... how might the team react to that? If they get down on themselves, and the fans do as well, it could snowball. The only good thing is that the Giants, Cowboys, and Chargers are all going to your place.

After the bye, I see possible wins at Jacksonville and Oakland, the Broncos once if not twice, Buffalo should be 50/50, the Browns and Bengals are always beatable... Could be a 4- or 5-win season, but could easily be an 8-win season. A lot depends on how bad the Raiders and Broncos are, and how good Matt Cassel turns out to be.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And, not to be unpleasant, but your defense is, erm, "in flux", which could result in alot of passing to keep up or catch up.

We'll just have to see how training camp goes and what Bill Muir has been able to do with the line. Our pass blocking has to get a whole lot better for Cassel to get anywhere near 4,000 yards, and we need to have a whole lot less three and outs than we have the last few years.

One point Gretz brought up in his article today that was valid, is that the Chiefs have lacked those explosive plays the last few years in all phases of the game. He pointed out that while Gonzo was a great receiving threat, he had only three plays overall the last few years that resulted in big chunks of yards. We need to get our receivers to be able to run after the catch and get that explosion back in the offense, and we need LJ to be a threat to pull that extra man in the box and get more one on one. We may never have a Randy Moss, but we need someone to step up and be the Wes Welker opposite Bowe. Dude can just take the short catch and turn it upfield...