Steve mcnair is dead

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would have liked to share some stories about Michael Jackson - some stories about the real MJ - not the one beleaguered by the press.

But alas, people have made up their opinions, facts or not, concerning MJ.

May they both rest in peace.

I always try to make up my mind about people AFTER hearing all sides of all stories. I'm sure there are a lot of posters here who are that way too. So feel free to share.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by FAX

The whole thing is a totally fucked up mess, to be honest, Mr. RNR. In a very strange way, this thread has been good for me, though. I can now understand how people can create an incorrect impression of someone based on news reports.

I finally had to say something though. The fact is that McNair wasn't any different than you or me. He didn't deserve to wind up like this.

FAX

Everything has been said but FWIW I am sorry you lost a friend

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by FAX

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

Let me tell you what McNair was like. He was a big, friendly, overgrown, good-hearted kid. A really nice guy. That's what he was like. The transition out of football wasn't easy for him. He tried to make his marriage work, but it didn't. Nevertheless, he took care of his wife and children financially. He was generous with them. He kept his local foundation going throughout his move to Baltimore and after. He spent a lot of time helping kids in the community. He was excited about his new restaurant. It gave him the direction he needed.

With the marriage on the rocks, he got mixed up with a crazy chick. Far from "enabling" as Ms. memyselfI and you suggest, many of his friends thought she was taking advantage of him. The crazy chick went nuts when he tried to move on. Those are the facts.

FAX

You describe the Steve McNair I know through the media. FTR, I loved the guy but I'm not going to gloss over his failings that led to some very self destructive behavior and completely blame some 'crazy chick.' She was nearly half his age and a high school drop out who moved away from home at 17. There was some crazy going on but it would seem the one with the stable life (even with a bad marriage) getting involved with someone like that is the one who is acting crazy. It seems there were two Steve's and one of them had people around him who were not looking out for him or his family. If his good friends knew then how was it that his wife didn't? That is some serious cover up and was not doing him any friendly favors.

The guy was an attractive rich man beloved in his community. You cannot convince me this girl was his one chance at true love outside of his failing marriage.

And FTR, I did describe the scenario you mentioned about transitioning away from football in one of my earlier posts. I get that. No one was expecting him (or anyone else in similar circumstances) to be a saint or even be good. Do understand their shock when they find out he was being stupid and crazy. Also, understand their willingness to hold his actions accountable for his outcome and not completely blame the girl.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

Let me tell you what McNair was like. He was a big, friendly, overgrown, good-hearted kid. A really nice guy. That's what he was like. The transition out of football wasn't easy for him. He tried to make his marriage work, but it didn't. Nevertheless, he took care of his wife and children financially. He was generous with them. He kept his local foundation going throughout his move to Baltimore and after. He spent a lot of time helping kids in the community. He was excited about his new restaurant. It gave him the direction he needed.

With the marriage on the rocks, he got mixed up with a crazy chick. Far from "enabling" as Ms. memyselfI and you suggest, many of his friends thought she was taking advantage of him. The crazy chick went nuts when he tried to move on. Those are the facts.

FAX

I can understand that, FAX. I understand that he was a nice guy and terrific for the community. I just take issue with people acting like this was some act of a gold-digging bitch who just went psycho, while McNair was the unfortunate victim who did nothing wrong but cheat. To be fair, while you know his side of the story, you don't know hers. I'm guessing you don't know what he told her or promised her in private. I would "guess" that her friends probably thought McNair was taking advantage of her too, maybe promising more than he was actually willing to give. Maybe treating her like a booty call, when she thought there was something more. I have too many buddies who do this to their girlfriends, and it drives me nuts. And the worst part is, no matter how much they treat them like shit, it only makes them more dependent. But they're still my buddies and I know that that doesn't define them. Just as it shouldn't define McNair (and I don't think it will).

As you said, I don't think it should shape his legacy. He was a terrific football player and I"m sure a terrific human being, who had some personal flaws. Much like DT. It's the story I tell about Chad Johnson to everybody--he's actually a terrific human being in person. I'm not trying to say McNair was a bad person, but I think the girl probably has a reputation to protect too. And it sounds like they both had a hand in the trouble.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by FAX

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

Let me tell you what McNair was like. He was a big, friendly, overgrown, good-hearted kid. A really nice guy. That's what he was like. The transition out of football wasn't easy for him. He tried to make his marriage work, but it didn't. Nevertheless, he took care of his wife and children financially. He was generous with them. He kept his local foundation going throughout his move to Baltimore and after. He spent a lot of time helping kids in the community. He was excited about his new restaurant. It gave him the direction he needed.

With the marriage on the rocks, he got mixed up with a crazy chick. Far from "enabling" as Ms. memyselfI and you suggest, many of his friends thought she was taking advantage of him. The crazy chick went nuts when he tried to move on. Those are the facts.

FAX

Thanks for the info Mr Fax and I am sorry for your loss of a friend.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by FAX

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

Let me tell you what McNair was like. He was a big, friendly, overgrown, good-hearted kid. A really nice guy. That's what he was like. The transition out of football wasn't easy for him. He tried to make his marriage work, but it didn't. Nevertheless, he took care of his wife and children financially. He was generous with them. He kept his local foundation going throughout his move to Baltimore and after. He spent a lot of time helping kids in the community. He was excited about his new restaurant. It gave him the direction he needed.

With the marriage on the rocks, he got mixed up with a crazy chick. Far from "enabling" as Ms. memyselfI and you suggest, many of his friends thought she was taking advantage of him. The crazy chick went nuts when he tried to move on. Those are the facts.

FAX

Sorry for the loss of your friend, dude. Hope you're doing ok, under the circumstances.

[cdcox]

I would like to add that while he never made a big deal about it, FAX knew Steve McNair personally (how well I do not know). Although I've done my share of speculating on this thread, I'm going to defer to his first hand knowledge of that social circle. Obviously there were two sides to McNair. He was a complicated person with real warts that happened to be exposed in a tragic manner. What he did was wrong. But we shouldn't allow that to become the dominant memory of a great football player and someone who was generous with his time and money in his charity work.

Edit: FAX's post 358 appeared after I started writing this post, FWIW.

[FAX]

I've seen McNair sober and I've seen him not-so-sober. Two different people. If he had a "dark side" that was it, Mr. cdcox. Probably no different than 90 percent of the posters on this board.

I've avoided this thread for the most part, but I finally had to say that he wasn't the freak or asshole that Ms. memyselfI wants to make him out to be in order to impress people with her long-distance psychoanalytic abilities.

FAX

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by FAX

I've seen McNair sober and I've seen him not-so-sober. Two different people. If he had a "dark side" that was it, Mr. cdcox. Probably no different than 90 percent of the posters on this board.

I've avoided this thread for the most part, but I finally had to say that he wasn't the freak or asshole that Ms. memyselfI wants to make him out to be in order to impress people with her long-distance psychoanalytic abilities.

FAX

Just ignore the contrarian bitch. You'll be much happier.

[FAX]

The thing you have to remember is that he was a grown man, Ms. memyselfI.

Ironically, I guarantee you would have liked him. Guaranteed.

FAX

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by FAX

The thing you have to remember is that he was a grown man, Ms. memyselfI.

Ironically, I guarantee you would have liked him. Guaranteed.

FAX

I loved him. My whole family did. I cried when I heard the news. I didn't bat an eye when that bat shit crazy Jacko died. This was just stunning and shocking and sad beyond belief. I'm sorry you lost your friend. I'm sorry we all lost him. FWIW, I have not lost one iota of respect or love for Steve McNair the human being. I am upset that his kids are having to deal with the consequences of his actions...

that is not fair. That pisses me off.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

I loved him. My whole family did. I cried when I heard the news. I didn't bat an eye when that bat shit crazy Jacko died. This was just stunning and shocking and sad beyond belief. I'm sorry you lost your friend. I'm sorry we all lost him. FWIW, I have not lost one iota of respect or love for Steve McNair the human being. I am upset that his kids are having to deal with the consequences of his actions...

that is not fair. That pisses me off.

Ok I got to ask what is the green ribbon about

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by RNR

Ok I got to ask what is the green ribbon about

Solidarity with the Iranian people and their protests against the stolen election.

[FAX]

It's a messed up deal, guys, that's for sure. And I don't want to give you guys the wrong impression. It's true that I knew McNair, but I wasn't his best friend, or anything. I got to know him through his foundation and have been to his home and he to mine, we had drinks on several occasions after work, and spent a good deal of time in our respective offices (our offices were on the same floor at Cummin's Station) chatting about various subjects. My place was kind of a refuge for him and my door is always open. I was invited to his friend's house on the 4th when all this was breaking and I'll attend the funeral. That's pretty much it.

I do want to tell you this, though. He loved the Chiefs - especially during the Vermeil Era. He loved to talk about that offense. He would smile and get really animated and energized when he talked about them. Especially when we played the Tacks. He thought Trent Green was one of the toughest, smartest quarterbacks in the league and Priest Holmes was one of the best backs to ever play the game. There were times when he'd rather talk about their offense than the Tacks'. He also loved to tell jokes - except he got them wrong all the time. Screwed up the punch line like clockwork. Very funny.

He wasn't the monster that some people will make him out to be. That's my only point.

FAX

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

It's a messed up deal, guys, that's for sure. And I don't want to give you guys the wrong impression. It's true that I knew McNair, but I wasn't his best friend, or anything. I got to know him through his foundation and have been to his home and he to mine, we had drinks on several occasions after work, and spent a good deal of time in our respective offices (our offices were on the same floor at Cummin's Station) chatting about various subjects. My place was kind of a refuge for him and my door is always open. I was invited to his friend's house on the 4th when all this was breaking and I'll attend the funeral. That's pretty much it.

I do want to tell you this, though. He loved the Chiefs - especially during the Vermeil Era. He loved to talk about that offense. He would smile and get really animated and energized when he talked about them. Especially when we played the Tacks. He thought Trent Green was one of the toughest, smartest quarterbacks in the league and Priest Holmes was one of the best backs to ever play the game. There were times when he'd rather talk about their offense than the Tacks'. He also loved to tell jokes - except he got them wrong all the time. Screwed up the punch line like clockwork. Very funny.

He wasn't the monster that some people will make him out to be. That's my only point.

FAX

It's a shame that unless you win "man of the year", nobody pays attention to the things some of these players do for the community. What's funny is that a lot of times the guys who seem like bad guys (TO and Chad Johnson) are actually outstanding in the community, while guys who seem like great guys don't do a damn thing for the community. And you can always tell who does it because they have to and who does it because they want to. Hopefully over the next few weeks, we'll hear less about McNair's personal life and more about the good stuff.