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Old 07-12-2009, 04:51 PM   #1
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None with Gonzalez. Only Chiefs fans would think tight ends are important. Can you even name the the tight ends of the super bowl teams? The last team with a stud tight end was Shannon Sharpe with Baltimore.
less talent is always better than more talent apparently
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:53 PM   #2
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less talent is always better than more talent apparently
You're right, a 2nd round draft pick has more value then a tight end. Second round picks are gold in the NFL. They are starters who are much cheaper then first round picks. Engram will fill in for Gonzalez on third downs and LJ will fill in for Gonzalez in the red zone.
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Old 09-30-2009, 06:36 PM   #3
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You're right, a 2nd round draft pick has more value then a tight end. Second round picks are gold in the NFL. They are starters who are much cheaper then first round picks. Engram will fill in for Gonzalez on third downs and LJ will fill in for Gonzalez in the red zone.

Gee, I guess you were mistaken!
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:56 PM   #4
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:57 PM   #5
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
i could give a **** about tes. engram is a monster we're set at wr baby
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:58 PM   #6
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
But how else are we going to run Herms 3 yard at a time offense?
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:59 PM   #7
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But how else are we going to run Herms 3 yard at a time offense?
herms not our coach anymore dude
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herms not our coach anymore dude
So why do you want to stick with the philosphy of the tight end is important to an offense?
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:01 PM   #9
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So why do you want to stick with the philosphy of the tight end is important to an offense?
youre not too bright are you?
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youre not too bright are you?
This coming from someone who thinks trading a 33 year old tight end for a 2nd round pick is stupid.
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:03 PM   #11
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
heh. Chiefs fans will be complaining for years how we need a Superstar TE again. Even if we win the next 3 ships in a row, they will still complain. I cant wait.
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:19 PM   #12
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
Only because our best, most consistent player during most of the last 12 years or so has been a tight end, Mr. RustShack.

The fact is that a Pro Bowl caliber TE can be a tremendous asset to an offense. That's why guys like Ozzy and Shabbomofft were highly valued. We'll miss TG and the odds of us acquiring a player with that 2nd round pick that comes anywhere close to equaling his overall contribution to the team are slim.

I'm okay with getting younger, etc. I'm not okay with continually trading away our best players (see Drunko the Bull Runner) when we have precious few studs in the stable to begin with and the local villagers are storming the ranch with torches and naughty words.

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Old 07-13-2009, 12:17 AM   #13
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I can't believe how much value people here give the TE position.
Its not exactly like Gonzalez is a run of the mill tight end. He's a possession receiver and a very good one, which is clearly a valuable offensive commodity.

We DO need to replace Gonzalez, but not necessarily with a tight end.

For all the people who try to dismiss Gonzalez's value by saying "how many playoff games did we win with him", well...how many playoff games did we win with Willie Roaf? Obviously, left tackle is a meaningless position.

How many playoff games did we win with Priest Holmes? Obviously, a multi-faceted running back like Holmes is meaningless.

How many super bowls did we win with Derrick Thomas? Obviously, a pass rushing linebacker is worthless.

How many playoff games did James Hasty win in KC? Obviously, a physical shut down corner is irrelevant to our playoff success.

How many playoff games did we win with Deron Cherry? Obviously a useless player that wasn't really meaningful to building a championship squad.

Championship teams can be built in many ways. Priest Holmes and Tony Gonazlez were the two weapons that drove our dominant offenses during the frist half of the millenium. Holmes and Gonzalez reallly strained the linebackers and safeties, which opened things up for mediocre receivers like Eddie Kennison to make plays. An unusual way to build a dominant offense, but certainly it worked. That offense was good enough to win a championship, but we didn't develop the other side of the ball.

Hell, the "Vermeil strategy" failed not due to philosophy, but due to bad drafting.

The fact is, Vermeil had an incredible year and a half run of offensive talent acquisition.

He added Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes, and Casey Weigman within a very short span of time. The only real mistake was WR Johnny Morton. Most of those guys were spare parts, only Roaf was a starter.

If we had any kind of reasonable drafting, the "Vermeil plan" would have worked. About the only useful players drafted under Vermeil were LJ and Jared Allen (plus maybe Scott Fujita).
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:23 AM   #14
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We DO need to replace Gonzalez, but not necessarily with a tight end.

Willie Roaf? Obviously, left tackle is a meaningless position.

How many playoff games did we win with Priest Holmes? Obviously, a multi-faceted running back like Holmes is meaningless.

How many super bowls did we win with Derrick Thomas? Obviously, a pass rushing linebacker is worthless.

How many playoff games did James Hasty win in KC? Obviously, a physical shut down corner is irrelevant to our playoff success.

How many playoff games did we win with Deron Cherry? Obviously a useless player that wasn't really meaningful to building a championship squad
We did replace our possession receiver TE with a possession receiver WR. Our team still has those sure hands in the middle now. As for your statements about the positions, it was said the last team with a premier TE was Sharpe and you go ahead and say other positions suck because the Chiefs haven't done it.. sad
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We did replace our possession receiver TE with a possession receiver WR. Our team still has those sure hands in the middle now. As for your statements about the positions, it was said the last team with a premier TE was Sharpe and you go ahead and say other positions suck because the Chiefs haven't done it.. sad
Engram at this stage of his career is a replacement, but he is a major downgrade. They are two entirely different players. Engram is a sure-handed option who runs crisp routes and will throw anything you throw at him, while Gonzalez is a crisp route runner, gigantic target, and a guy who can make plays happen. Gonzalez is a guy who draws double- and triple-teams; Engram is a guy who typically benefits off of other receivers.

I like Engram in a Ricky Proehl type role, but at his age, he is not even close to the calibre of player Gonzalez is.
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